Sorry, misread your post and realised having re-read it I was talking nonsense. Now edited (can't seem to delete it). Sorry to hear you got held up.

Edited by Homousbrigade (30 Nov 2017 1.30pm)

Edited by Homousbrigade (30 Nov 2017 1.31pm)

You have simply adopted a position that suits your prejudices and repeated it ad nauseum, dismissing those who contradicts it.

At the same time you bleat about personal slurs while dishing them out. So, yes, myopic and lazy are indeed two things your thinking is guilty of.

Nor is it original, you're simply repeating a position taken by David Duckenfield or Norman Bettison. Changing the narrative to cover up the incompetence of the police and bha. (And while this was, nor would ever have been, a serious an incident like Hillsborough, the principle behind it is the same. Criminalise the fan. Look here's the proof! When in reality it is nothing of the sort, just your interpretation of it that fits a fake narrative.

I'll leave you with this:

"There was also a more subtle effect. Fans had been able to be painted as this uniformly frightening group, baffling and impenetrable in their motives. It suited the authorities to do so because it made it easier for them to deal with a problem they would rather not have had to.
The supposed uniformity meant no distinction needed to be made between the treatment of individuals, and the terror they engendered meant no one would object too much if they were subjected to a little rough treatment. In the long run the result was that the lies told about Hillsborough by hostile institutions desperate to save their own necks were believable to the greater section of society who never went anywhere near a football ground. The lies confirmed what those people had already been led to believe about football fans, and the lies endured."

Edited by Kodg (30 Nov 2017 1.55pm)

I really do not know what darned "Prejudices" you are on about.

If you care to examine my posts, I have been steadfast in my fulmination of those minority of so called "Fans" whose disreputable actions resulted in genuine supporters NOT being able to witness the game.And their dastardly actions culminated in the events which followed.I really don't think that criticising such moronic behaviour is beyond the pale.

Furthermore I categorically stated that if the Police and BHA have a case to answer then these need to be addressed by the relevant authorities.I have not exonerated them from any blame at all - I was not caught up in the scenes described on here so cannot possibly apportion blame or not !

Somehow my numerous utterances on here have been mis-intrepreted as supporting the actions of Police and BHA and discounting the reports from our supporters but without being a witness I cannot with any certainty form any firm conclusions.

As for "Personal slurs", I NEVER seek to offend anyone nor hurl personal insults which given what I have endured on HOL is even more to my credit.IF I have offended anyone, it certainly hasn't been by design and I offer my sincere apologies without any reservations.All I do is to express my honest opinions which on occasions do not meet with pandemic approval but I certainly do NOT go out of my way to take an alternative viewpoint purely to raise hackles and trigger fiesty debate.

Finally, I have treated your accusation of "Fake narrative" with the contempt it deserves.

Edited by Willo (30 Nov 2017 2.23pm)

That you maybe chose a pub the people who were on the police radar to be escorted were in.

You're innocent and so are they until they do anything.

COYP

I would like to say that Willo is a valuable resource to this site.

He is one of the rapidly dwindling group of people for whom the status quo has worked and is working as far as I can tell. He supports the status quo and is not someone that is a driver of change. He assumes that the powers of authority know what is best.

That is all very laudable but for those people that see things differently it has an ostrich feel to it.

Let us not forget that the 'authorities' were responsible for the treatment of the Hillsborough victims and - as reminded to us by our Baggies friend - the Birmingham six.

Let us also not forget that being Gay was criminal until 1967 and even after that many Gay people were still convicted.

In truth you cannot just accept what is said or done just because someone is 'in authority'. There is always an agenda, people are always defensive and in fear of losing power and influence.

However, if a significant group of people believe in the authority figures and are 'conservative' with a small c, then we should hear from them. Unfortunately I don't see us changing their opinion but in my view we need to understand it. So Willo is helpful in that regard and relatively unusual in his staunch support of authority.

I have to say that 'conservative' people are usually very vocal about their hatred of the 'nanny state' yet won't hear anything bad said about authority figures, seems odd to me.

ERRR, he uses uber michaela, we dont go south of the river, ubers not a taxi, only a hackney carriage can be called a taxi,,,minicab maybe?