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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Feb 22 10.40am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

'The report also suggests that local authorities are prioritising racial sensitivities over the safety of vulnerable children'.

That is all you need to know, and what any sensible person has known all along.

The apologists who wish to cloud this issue and would rather focus on the rights and wrongs of Tommy bloody Robinson should hang their heads.
We have allowed a culture of rapists into this country, and telling me that they are British or that other rapists are available does not change that fact. Our authorities should face jail time for their criminal neglect in the name of racial politics.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

'The report also suggests that local authorities are prioritising racial sensitivities over the safety of vulnerable children'.

That is all you need to know, and what any sensible person has known all along.

The apologists who wish to cloud this issue and would rather focus on the rights and wrongs of Tommy bloody Robinson should hang their heads.
We have allowed a culture of rapists into this country, and telling me that they are British or that other rapists are available does not change that fact. Our authorities should face jail time for their criminal neglect in the name of racial politics.

Whilst in no way wishing to suggest this isn't a damning and important report which demands urgent action, I don't think it actually says that. It is more nuanced and much more complicated. It's going to require a lot of digesting, soul searching and adjustment of priorities at all levels of government, not least local authorities with their already over-stretched resources. There will undoubtedly be demands for increased funding which, at the moment, isn't going to be easy to obtain. This is the actual report, and not a report of the report:-

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 05 Feb 22 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

'The report also suggests that local authorities are prioritising racial sensitivities over the safety of vulnerable children'.

That is all you need to know, and what any sensible person has known all along.

The apologists who wish to cloud this issue and would rather focus on the rights and wrongs of Tommy bloody Robinson should hang their heads.
We have allowed a culture of rapists into this country, and telling me that they are British or that other rapists are available does not change that fact. Our authorities should face jail time for their criminal neglect in the name of racial politics.

Excellent post.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 05 Feb 22 2.49pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Whilst in no way wishing to suggest this isn't a damning and important report which demands urgent action, I don't think it actually says that. It is more nuanced and much more complicated. It's going to require a lot of digesting, soul searching and adjustment of priorities at all levels of government, not least local authorities with their already over-stretched resources. There will undoubtedly be demands for increased funding which, at the moment, isn't going to be easy to obtain. This is the actual report, and not a report of the report:-

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The usual flannel.

Any report like that will be multifaceted, but the underlying truth is there for all to see.
You might want to look that word up.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 22 5.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The usual flannel.

Any report like that will be multifaceted, but the underlying truth is there for all to see.
You might want to look that word up.

Accepting something like this as multifaceted, which is certainly true, but then seeking to describe one short comment on it as the "underlying truth" is to do the report an injustice. The truth is that it deals with a great deal more than that. I realise that won't stop those who have already reached their conclusions believing that it provides all the confirmation they need. Those looking for simple answers will find them. Those who have to find the solutions will need to work a lot harder than that.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 05 Feb 22 5.52pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Accepting something like this as multifaceted, which is certainly true, but then seeking to describe one short comment on it as the "underlying truth" is to do the report an injustice. The truth is that it deals with a great deal more than that. I realise that won't stop those who have already reached their conclusions believing that it provides all the confirmation they need. Those looking for simple answers will find them. Those who have to find the solutions will need to work a lot harder than that.

Those who read them remember your posts on this topic from the very start.

You defended the Police response in hiding these crimes from the public view....this had been happening for decades. Something that hasn't only been heavily criticised in official reports but is morally disgusting.

You even recounted hearing about it decades ago.

You have done little else but find excuses for the unexcuseable responses by institutions and the establishment.

These crimes had nothing to do with resourcing and the evidence is there for that. These were institutional and political choices and failures at the local level and little doubt higher, up and down this country.

Those who spent far more time criticising Tommy Robinson, who actually shouted the truth about rapes while others shouted 'racist' show where their actual loyalties lie. You spent practically no time criticising the Police and authorities who enabled and allowed these rapes to happen.

Your posts now just resemble someone attempting to waffle your way back into acceptability on the matter.

The fact that you still have the gall to post on this topic is quite something. But many of us have long since realised you visit free speech sites specifically for arguments.....even though you hypocritically support and call for censorship on those with views you yourself don't like...Trump....Gab for example.....Yet you only survive to argue here because the right or libertarians are the only people who give a fig about defending any traditional form of free speech today.

We still await accountability and we still await justice for every single girl that was allowed to be abused by negligence and political and institutional cowardice.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2022 9.09pm)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Feb 22 11.03pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those who read them remember your posts on this topic from the very start.

You defended the Police response in hiding these crimes from the public view....this had been happening for decades. Something that hasn't only been heavily criticised in official reports but is morally disgusting.

You even recounted hearing about it decades ago.

You have done little else but find excuses for the unexcuseable responses by institutions and the establishment.

These crimes had nothing to do with resourcing and the evidence is there for that. These were institutional and political choices and failures at the local level and little doubt higher, up and down this country.

Those who spent far more time criticising Tommy Robinson, who actually shouted the truth about rapes while others shouted 'racist' show where their actual loyalties lie. You spent practically no time criticising the Police and authorities who enabled and allowed these rapes to happen.

Your posts now just resemble someone attempting to waffle your way back into acceptability on the matter.

The fact that you still have the gall to post on this topic is quite something. But many of us have long since realised you visit free speech sites specifically for arguments.....even though you hypocritically support and call for censorship on those with views you yourself don't like...Trump....Gab for example.....Yet you only survive to argue here because the right or libertarians are the only people who give a fig about defending any traditional form of free speech today.

We still await accountability and we still await justice for every single girl that was allowed to be abused by negligence and political and institutional cowardice.

Edited by Stirlingsays (05 Feb 2022 9.09pm)

Here we go again! I anticipated this post. Whenever this subject is raised, no matter how calmly and rationally I try to consider issues these kinds of distortions are posted again. I have corrected them countless times, but it seems to make no impact at all.

So let me correct them again, just in case any new readers believe there is any truth in them.

I have never defended the Police response in hiding them from public view, if indeed they did so. I have never even commented on that. I have expressed sympathy for overworked, under resourced police forces being asked to deal with a series of competing priorities. That's very different. I have expressed sympathy for the police having their work interrupted and distorted by rabble rousers like Yaxley-Lennon.

I was aware of some issues a long time ago, but that hardly makes me unique. The scale is only now becoming clearer.

I haven't, and don't, excuse anyone. I look for reasons why the responses have been as they have. If any individual is to blame then the appropriate action must follow.

Of course resourcing could have played a part, quite possibly a significant part. No-one here can possibly judge that, so making any kind of definitive judgement is stupid. We don't have the facts to do so. That political decisions impacted this is undoubtedly true. If resourcing is an issue, then it's the politicians who determine the resourcing.

Of course, I have criticised Yaxley-Lennon and will continue to do so. Far from helping with this situation he has undoubtedly made it worse. YL is not interested in the victims of the rape gangs. He does nothing to help them. For him, they are merely an opportunity to pursue his real agenda, which is Islamophobia. He doesn't want to talk about criminal gang rapists, and their victims. He wants to talk about Muslim, or pakistani rape gangs. In so doing he has stoked up hatred and caused an already suspicious and resentful community to be even less likely to willingly assist the police. It's little wonder the police are so angry with him. Not only that he has made himself rich on the back of the hatred he has created, via "contributions". Now he is attempting to declare bankruptcy, to avoid paying the legal costs awarded against him in a libel case he lost. Involving a Muslim boy! Then there are the many times he has answered his critics with his fists. A real paragon of virtue!

I'll ignore the personal attacks, tiresome though they are, and concentrate on the facts.

I don't call for censorship. That's another distortion. I call for site moderation, just as we have here. Privately owned sites have rules. Countries have laws. Whether individuals like those rules, or laws, is irrelevant. I expect to see hate speech, including racism, homophobia, etc along with calls for violence, or other types of lawbreaking, to be moderated out of social media sites. Speaking freely is fine, so long as it is within the rules and doesn't break the law. As I have said many times the idea that total freedom of speech has ever existed is a myth. We are all bound by the law. Every right has a matching responsibility.

We all await justice for all victims of all crimes, especially these. More important though is the need to ensure that there aren't any more, or at least they are rapidly reduced. That won't be achieved by playing the blame game. It will, and probably already has, force people onto the defensive where they are busy covering their backs rather than protecting the vulnerable. That helps no-one. Learn, eradicate errors, improve.

 

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Those who read those posts at the time know the truth.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 12.12am)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Feb 22 8.42am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Those who read those posts at the time know the truth.


Edited by Stirlingsays (06 Feb 2022 12.12am)

Yes they do. If they did so with a brain that hasn't been polluted by prejudice.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (06 Feb 2022 8.44am)

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It is more nuanced and much more complicated.

'Nuanced'!
The default word used by the left when the facts are obvious but not in their favour.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 06 Feb 22 10.06am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

'Nuanced'!
The default word used by the left when the facts are obvious but not in their favour.

Trying reading the report, even just the summary, rather than making assumptions!

 

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We await justice.

Apologists are part of the problem.

 


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