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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 14 Dec 17 1.50pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Whilst reading some of the positive comments about Roy Hodgson on another thread it struck me that it really doesn't take too much for a manager to become a potential CPFC managerial 'legend', or at least to be a serious contender for a place in our all time best top five.

Number one on the list is of course taken, most likely forever, by Steve Coppell (after whom the new stand absolutely must be named in my opinion) but after that there are fairly few obvious contenders.

We have quite a reasonable list to pick from when considering our five best ever players, but if you try to make a top five of managers it becomes quite hard work pretty quickly, which probably says quite a bit in itself.

Even so, who is your (second) greatest ever manager, and why?

Most of my nominations have some sort of black mark against their names which cancel out their achievements to some extent:

Freedman - Built a great side for a pittance in the championship which went on to get promoted and form the foundation for staying there (so far). Also buggered off to Bolton.

Dowie - Injected life into a corpse when he came in, created fantastic momentum which ended in promotion, and came a goal away from keeping us up. Then left to be 'closer to his family in the Northwest', which he achieved by managing Charlton.

Pulis - Easy to forget how dead in the water the team was when he came in. Rightly awarded League Manager of the Year for keeping us up, not only was this a near-miracle in itself, it was also the key to everything that the club has become since. Then walked out on the eve of the season leaving us in the lurch, lied to the club to get a load of money, and had to be dragged through the Courts where he was found, in no uncertain terms, to have acted with the utmost disdain for CPFC.

Any other ideas?


Edited by TheBigToePunt (14 Dec 2017 1.59pm)

 

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jeeagles Flag 14 Dec 17 2.15pm

With Coppell, emotions aside, he took us to 3rd in the League, our first cup final and our joint second highest finish of 10th.

There's another guy who took us to 10th and a cup final but I'm sure mentioning his name would cause a meltdown.

Given the gigantic step between Coppell and anyone else, it's a tough choice.

 

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View pstrutt's Profile pstrutt Flag Busselton, WA 14 Dec 17 2.35pm Send a Private Message to pstrutt Add pstrutt as a friend

I'm gonna jump in with Lombardo. Love him!

I would state the case for Allison for the changes he made to the club, but that is more akin to stamping his mark a lot like the legacy SP is stamping on Selhurst and CPFC right now.

I wish I new more about Bert Head, but it is well before my time. I'd have to go with either Dowie or Smith as they got us promoted, but then I really don't like either of them. Might as well suggest Pardew.

Can I vote for Millen or Ray?

 


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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag 14 Dec 17 3.22pm Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

We had a really good team under Smith in the 93/94 promotion season with Southgate, Armstrong, Gordon, etc. and crushed some of the opposition during that season (I remember the 5-1 win over Portsmouth particularly well). But then we sold Armstrong and didn't we replace him with Gabbiadini?

I'd never really thought about it, but the OP is right, the pickings are embarrassingly slim. I was too young, but what about Venables (in his first stint)?

 

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Steve Bruce.

 


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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

We had a really good team under Smith in the 93/94 promotion season with Southgate, Armstrong, Gordon, etc. and crushed some of the opposition during that season (I remember the 5-1 win over Portsmouth particularly well). But then we sold Armstrong and didn't we replace him with Gabbiadini?

I'd never really thought about it, but the OP is right, the pickings are embarrassingly slim. I was too young, but what about Venables (in his first stint)?

I think anything that was achieved in his first stint (Team of the Eighties and all that) has been more than cancelled out by his second stint.

 

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Edmund Goodman

 

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Arthur Rowe

 


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Malcolm, all day

 

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Tom-the-eagle Flag Croydon 14 Dec 17 5.11pm

Venables- first time around.

Don't even like mentioning him in the same breath as king Coppell though.

 


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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Whilst reading some of the positive comments about Roy Hodgson on another thread it struck me that it really doesn't take too much for a manager to become a potential CPFC managerial 'legend', or at least to be a serious contender for a place in our all time best top five.

Number one on the list is of course taken, most likely forever, by Steve Coppell (after whom the new stand absolutely must be named in my opinion) but after that there are fairly few obvious contenders.

We have quite a reasonable list to pick from when considering our five best ever players, but if you try to make a top five of managers it becomes quite hard work pretty quickly, which probably says quite a bit in itself.

Even so, who is your (second) greatest ever manager, and why?

Most of my nominations have some sort of black mark against their names which cancel out their achievements to some extent:

Freedman - Built a great side for a pittance in the championship which went on to get promoted and form the foundation for staying there (so far). Also buggered off to Bolton.

Dowie - Injected life into a corpse when he came in, created fantastic momentum which ended in promotion, and came a goal away from keeping us up. Then left to be 'closer to his family in the Northwest', which he achieved by managing Charlton.

Pulis - Easy to forget how dead in the water the team was when he came in. Rightly awarded League Manager of the Year for keeping us up, not only was this a near-miracle in itself, it was also the key to everything that the club has become since. Then walked out on the eve of the season leaving us in the lurch, lied to the club to get a load of money, and had to be dragged through the Courts where he was found, in no uncertain terms, to have acted with the utmost disdain for CPFC.

Any other ideas?


Edited by TheBigToePunt (14 Dec 2017 1.59pm)

If its judged on achievement only and working on the minutest of budgets-pretty much get the best out of what you have and ignore the negative circumstances of his departure, like or loathe him you'd have to say Terry Vennables was probably our best ever manager first time around.
Took on a struggling team, introduced youth prospects, got back to back promotions AND kept us in the top division (at one point for about 3 weeks we actually led the top division!)
No one had done that before. Only Coppell has done it since. Yes of course he quit Palace for QPR and took half our team with him which resulted in us tumbling down the league. He claims that was Raymond Bloye squeezing him out. Whatever, water under the bridge. But in terms of achievements, for me? Has to be Vennables

 

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Clearly Coppell tops the list and Est1905 is very persuasive in arguing that Venables (Team of the eighties and all that) comes second. Bert Head is obviously third as the manager who took us into the top division for the first time and kept us there against all the odds on a very modest transfer budget.

 

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