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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Weíll have to agree to disagree then because I donít agree at all. I think on a number of occasions during his years with us Benteke has been extremely feeble in the air. He has height and is quite good technically for a big guy but he doesnít attack crosses in the manner a target man should. And Iím pretty sure Iíve heard many commentators note this during games.

As for being second in all-time headed goals. This doesnít surprise me as heís played in the league for a very long time and prior to his arrival at Palace he was fantastic in the air. Iím talking specifically about his time with us - the vast majority of his goals in the air are ones youíd expect him to get on the end of and score.

The fact that Calvert-Lewin, who plays in a team that finished 10th and isnít much of an aerial target man by any stretch, has scored more headers during the season weíre all waxing lyrical about Benteke kinda says it all.

I think Bentekeís link up play has always been underrated and Iím pretty sure itís the reason Roy rated him so much. But imo people are getting carried away with a brief spell of goals. Football fans are fickle - Batshuayis record at his first spell with the club was very good and the second half of this spell he has barely kicked a ball, yet there probably arenít many Palace fans whoíd want to see him back next season. And yet imo heís a far better striker than Benteke who would almost certainly out score him if he was given a fair crack of the whip.


Edited by Mstrobez (03 Jun 2021 12.29pm)

He is second (and ahead of the likes of Wood by a long way) in aerial duels won this season, so I'm not sure your argument stands up this season. I agree in previous seasons he has looked a bit feeble.

I do agree about the fickleness of fans, but in the case of Bentenke I don't think we've seen a fully fit and confident player for the best part of three years (at least). He is a proven PL so it was really a case of whether he could rediscover his form. Most of us finally gave up and thought he couldn't and then he did - a nice surprise! Whether it lasts is another matter, but I think the club were right to chance it. Batshuayi has only impressed in brief patches since he joined Chelsea. I think he'd do well at a club like Leeds that produces lots of chances, but he offers very little outside 18-yard box other than getting offside. He was never really given much of a chance with us this season, but when he did start he was pretty poor.

 

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View palace99's Profile palace99 Flag New Mills 03 Jun 21 1.00pm Send a Private Message to palace99 Add palace99 as a friend

i have no issue with giving Tekkers an extension - his form in the 2nd half of the season was impressive and shows that when fit and motivated he is a quality striker.

My slight concern is how much we are paying him. His previous wages of c£120k a week were clearly excessive and although he previously signed a 1 year extension on reduced terms i'd be very surprised if there was much of a reduction as he signed this mid season so he must have been happy with the terms.

This extension has been sorted quite quickly which suggests new terms must be quite good too. If it is say £100k a week in total i'm hoping it is a lower weekly basic wage and higher bonus element e.g. £60k a week basic, £25k per game and £50k a goal.
If he plays say 30 games and scores 10 goals then that's over £4m a year. If he scores 15 it's nearer £5m a year.
There was interest from Turkey but they only wanted to pay wages of c£50k a week so hopefully SP used this to his advantage

 

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Originally posted by taylors lovechild

He is second (and ahead of the likes of Wood by a long way) in aerial duels won this season, so I'm not sure your argument stands up this season. I agree in previous seasons he has looked a bit feeble.

I do agree about the fickleness of fans, but in the case of Bentenke I don't think we've seen a fully fit and confident player for the best part of three years (at least). He is a proven PL so it was really a case of whether he could rediscover his form. Most of us finally gave up and thought he couldn't and then he did - a nice surprise! Whether it lasts is another matter, but I think the club were right to chance it. Batshuayi has only impressed in brief patches since he joined Chelsea. I think he'd do well at a club like Leeds that produces lots of chances, but he offers very little outside 18-yard box other than getting offside. He was never really given much of a chance with us this season, but when he did start he was pretty poor.

Winning aerial duels in various parts of the pitch isnít some scientific equation that youíre a lethal target man. If you look at the majority of his headed goals this season, they are chances youíd expect him to take.

I also think people often cite to his supposed fitness but Iím not sure thatís true, either. When he first joined the club he also had a very poor scoring record until Big Sam turned up. The problem with a striker like Benteke is that you have to literally build a team around him and cater your play around him to get him firing on all cylinders, and imo thatís not a sensible approach for any serious Premier League outfit.

Judging Batshuayi on anything this season is ridiculously harsh imo. He wasnít even given a look in for the most part and the last time he was in a brief 20 minutes against Everton - he scored. His overall record at Palace is far superior to Bentekes.

It may well turn out to be decent business to keep him, especially if heís taken a wage cut. But Iíd hope we arenít hedging on him being our first choice striker going forward.

 


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My question is why are we giving him a contract extension with no manager in place, whatís the point if the new head honcho doesnít fancy him and never plays him. Is this a case of our new manager has already agreed terms and wants Big Ben in his plans.....,,, I think I may have answered my own question.

 


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View kev64's Profile kev64 Flag Cambs 03 Jun 21 1.21pm Send a Private Message to kev64 Add kev64 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I am rather hoping for an upgrade on Andros to arrive. There are plenty of decent crossers of the ball out there who might also provide a bit more trickery and guile down that wing.

Andros, on Talk Sport yesterday said he was told players contracts would not be discussed until a new manager was in in place .. he wants to stay in the prem aged 29, but has had Ďoffersí from Turkey (like they all do) .

Then of course Tekkers gets his 2 yr extension ..time will tell, we will soon know if he turned up for the last 4 months to get a deal or Roy showing faith in him really paid off.

 

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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 03 Jun 21 1.33pm Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

Great to have this confirmed, just hope he remains injury free over the summer. He has shown what he is capable of, I hope we can get 10-15 goals out of him each of the next two seasons.

He was rumoured to have been offered a contract extension a month or two ago. This may be why he can agree to one without a new manager and why others have to wait until the new manager is appointed.

 


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How utterly depressing. Maybe this is so we can get a sale fee for him? Hope he bangs a few in in the Euros and we can finally get rid for £

 

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View Pikester's Profile Pikester Online Flag Worthing 03 Jun 21 1.45pm Send a Private Message to Pikester Add Pikester as a friend

Excellent news.
Now we just need to tie down Wickham.

 


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Originally posted by kev64

Andros, on Talk Sport yesterday said he was told players contracts would not be discussed until a new manager was in in place .. he wants to stay in the prem aged 29, but has had Ďoffersí from Turkey (like they all do) .

Then of course Tekkers gets his 2 yr extension ..time will tell, we will soon know if he turned up for the last 4 months to get a deal or Roy showing faith in him really paid off.


Benteke s contribution to the side has been widely underrated by many. Yes the goals dried up for him, though scoring has proved hard by anyone in the way the side has approached playing in this league, But his overall contribution has mostly been as good or better than any of the others given that deep target man job that he has so often been. For much of his time he has been picking up much to deep because of the teams inability to play higher up the pitch. More recently he has shown that the goals are still there in the right conditions, It would cost some decent money to get a player capable of giving what he has done, certainly in this recent period.
Why give him a contract, before a new manager? Why give him away if the new manager doesnít like him? The chances are most of the candidates likely to take the job would want him anyway , just as the Belgium, national team want him. But if that was not so, he wonít go to Turkey for nothing.

 

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Originally posted by Pikester

Excellent news.
Now we just need to tie down Wickham.


Isn't he already tied down on a table in the treatment room?

 

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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Winning aerial duels in various parts of the pitch isnít some scientific equation that youíre a lethal target man. If you look at the majority of his headed goals this season, they are chances youíd expect him to take.

I also think people often cite to his supposed fitness but Iím not sure thatís true, either. When he first joined the club he also had a very poor scoring record until Big Sam turned up. The problem with a striker like Benteke is that you have to literally build a team around him and cater your play around him to get him firing on all cylinders, and imo thatís not a sensible approach for any serious Premier League outfit.

Judging Batshuayi on anything this season is ridiculously harsh imo. He wasnít even given a look in for the most part and the last time he was in a brief 20 minutes against Everton - he scored. His overall record at Palace is far superior to Bentekes.

It may well turn out to be decent business to keep him, especially if heís taken a wage cut. But Iíd hope we arenít hedging on him being our first choice striker going forward.

You can't really judge Batshuayi against Bentenke as one has played a bit part and one has played 5 seasons. The former has scored maybe three important goals, the latter played a huge role in keeping us up under Allardyce and played a big role this season.

Going back to your original post on this matter, you said...

I donít think heís anything like the best header in the league.

The stats say he is right up there, especially as we were producing very few chances per game. There were also a few occasions where keepers had to make top-class saves to deny him a headed goal. Inside and outside the box he wins the ball with his head more often than not. That's not a stat, that's just from watching the games. The stats just back it up.

None of this covers up the fact that for at least half his time with us he has not been good enough, and I'm still not convinced he knows how to shoot anymore, but my point was that there are very players who have his aerial presence.

 

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