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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 22 Apr 18 7.54am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

We have a branch of politicians in this country who are very for censorship of views they don't like.

Today I read about Hunt using children as a way of pressuring social media platforms to find ways to censor 'hurtful' comments.

Previously I've read of Labour politicians like Chuka Umunna and Yvette Cooper pressuring for social media platforms to censor opinions they don't like......all under the guise of 'hurtful' or emotional appeals.

These people are illiberal and against a cornerstone of what democracy was built upon. They want to ensure that only their narratives are what is sold to the masses.

With the very far left leaning social media platforms they are pushing against an open door. We are being softened up for censorshop pushed as 'acting against extremists'.

The only things standing in their way are the general language of some laws.....even though the reality is that counter laws exist and essentially the law can be used however a judge sees fit.

 


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Politicians may also be looking at restrict voting to voters more likely to vote for them.

'Under the new government voting rules, being trialled in several local authorities at the 3 May local elections, people will be asked at polling stations to produce documents proving their identity – such as a passport or driving licence – before casting their vote. Currently, no such proof is required.


One day, not far off, they may even credit check you......

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Politicians may also be looking at restrict voting to voters more likely to vote for them.

'Under the new government voting rules, being trialled in several local authorities at the 3 May local elections, people will be asked at polling stations to produce documents proving their identity – such as a passport or driving licence – before casting their vote. Currently, no such proof is required.


One day, not far off, they may even credit check you......

And this would 'restrict' the nature of voters how exactly?

One man, one vote and having to identify yourself as the one man (or woman or other) restricts no-one except those who would try to cheat the system.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Apr 18 9.26am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by becky

And this would 'restrict' the nature of voters how exactly?

One man, one vote and having to identify yourself as the one man (or woman or other) restricts no-one except those who would try to cheat the system.

I will be a Poll Clerk at the local elections for Bromley one of the areas trialing the id system. I have done this for many years. I suspect Bromley was picked because we are pretty efficient at managing elections (unlike Lewisham) and if we can't make it work that should be a red flag.

I have my training on Tuesday. My concern is that because we do not have a national id they have produced a laundry list of suitable alternate id's. Some are obvious, passport, driver license but how am I supposed to know what a gun license looks like? I expect there will be some confusion and the usual question will my library card do?

I have no problem with people having to prove who they are but this is the minor end of voter fraud. The real issue is postal voting. In some communities the local "community spokesperson" aka "big mouth" tells the community to apply for a postal vote if they know what's good for them*. The blank form is then collected by a helpful member of the community and duly filled in.

This has been reported in various locations across the UK and is not specific to any "community". This is a far bigger issue then one individual walking into a Polling Station and impersonating someone. For the record in 20 years I have never heard of this in Bromley so either it doesn't happen or they are very good at it.

I will report back after the elections on how it goes.

*I asked a colleague why would his "community" knuckle under to voter intermediation. He replied they know where you family live back home. In many countries a clan / tribe / family control an area, the folk in the UK are very aware of how exposed their loved ones are back home. I can't say I blame them.

Sorry forgot to add the other big issue is non existent voters. The London borough where the Mayor was banned had many examples of 20 odd people living at one address who didn't exist. However I assume that whoever organised that fraud would also apply for postal votes otherwise they would have to recruit people to vote which might have uncovered it.

An efficient council does proper checks when registering voters to ensure that they exist and they are entitled to vote. There are rumours that citizens who are not entitled to vote have simply declared they are UK citizens and the council has looked the other way because they will vote for their party.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Apr 2018 9.37am)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 22 Apr 18 11.16am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Politicians may also be looking at restrict voting to voters more likely to vote for them.

'Under the new government voting rules, being trialled in several local authorities at the 3 May local elections, people will be asked at polling stations to produce documents proving their identity – such as a passport or driving licence – before casting their vote. Currently, no such proof is required.


One day, not far off, they may even credit check you......

Probably to stop all the illegals voting.

 

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.TUX. Flag 22 Apr 18 11.57am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We have a branch of politicians in this country who are very for censorship of views they don't like.

Today I read about Hunt using children as a way of pressuring social media platforms to find ways to censor 'hurtful' comments.

Previously I've read of Labour politicians like Chuka Umunna and Yvette Cooper pressuring for social media platforms to censor opinions they don't like......all under the guise of 'hurtful' or emotional appeals.

These people are illiberal and against a cornerstone of what democracy was built upon. They want to ensure that only their narratives are what is sold to the masses.

With the very far left leaning social media platforms they are pushing against an open door. We are being softened up for censorshop pushed as 'acting against extremists'.

The only things standing in their way are the general language of some laws.....even though the reality is that counter laws exist and essentially the law can be used however a judge sees fit.

Then they should be sacked.

 


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View Kingvagabond's Profile Kingvagabond Flag London 22 Apr 18 3.15pm Send a Private Message to Kingvagabond Add Kingvagabond as a friend

Simple fact is that the more obstacles you put in front of people the less likely they are to vote. This is more likely to effect the labour vote than the Tory vote, hence why it’s being done. It’s gerrymandering.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 22 Apr 18 6.14pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Then they should be sacked.

Tell me about it....but instead they are a part of a political cross party consensus.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2018 6.14pm)

 


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.TUX. Flag 22 Apr 18 6.27pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Tell me about it....but instead they are a part of a political cross party consensus.

Edited by Stirlingsays (22 Apr 2018 6.14pm)

Which brings us full circle re- Do we really live in a Democracy?
Life's far easier when you accept that no we don't, we never have and never will do.

Just get on with looking after you and yours and ignore the junk.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 22 Apr 18 6.51pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Which brings us full circle re- Do we really live in a Democracy?
Life's far easier when you accept that no we don't, we never have and never will do.

Just get on with looking after you and yours and ignore the junk.

We live in a representative democracy. It is what it is. We don't get to change the ship but we do get a tiny say on deciding who is steering it. I think you are far more centred in on the system, which is fair enough. What system would you prefer instead?


 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Apr 18 6.54pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Parliament can and does, inflict serious damage upon sections of society as we are seeing.

It also appears impossibly weak and irrelevant at the same time, the PM disregards it and the voting does it ultimately matter?

Is it not a crumbling victorian edifice like the buildings themselves? And represent the same people?

Will need to really think about this one......

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 22 Apr 18 7.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I'd agree that the parliament system and buildings are arcane.

It works but it creates a hefty political class that personally I think could be streamlined.

The political class are the one civil service who never seem to suffer cuts.

 


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