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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 14 Jun 18 10.28pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack.

Why?

What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so.

I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it.

However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day.

Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone?

 


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View simlaboy's Profile simlaboy Flag coulsdon 14 Jun 18 11.13pm Send a Private Message to simlaboy Add simlaboy as a friend

Totally agree, good post

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Jun 18 11.32pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Your correct of course. Most of it is politically driven bollocks as most of them (politicians) neither have the balls or inclination to root out the answers in the first place.

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 14 Jun 18 11.35pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Typical! Can't shut up! Even for sixty seconds!

 


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Brentmiester_General Flag Front line in the battle against t... 14 Jun 18 11.53pm

Happened to me in M&S today. It really resonated with me for the first time just how horrific the Grenfell tradegy was. I teared up in the super market.

 


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Originally posted by becky

Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack.

Why?

What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so.

I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it.

However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day.

Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone?

Well said Becky I think this dates back to Diana.

There is a reason we have places of worship so people can grieve and not be disturbed and not disturb others who are not affected.

And you are correct some tragedies are recognised whilst many are not. Birmingham pub bombings,Bradford fire, Lee Rigby, Jimmy Mizen and countless others.

Politicians feel the need to do something. We have a day of remembrance for our war dead which I observe so why not another day of remembrance for everybody else.

I don't have a problem with Grenfall as it is the anniversary and the enquiry is ongoing but I will not be remembering next year.

 


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This tragedy was truly horrific and relatively recent.

But the greater point Becky makes is spot on. The Falklands anniversary passed and hardly anybody noticed.

It's the nature of things and maybe that's best, unless we are talking about world wars with living relatives.

However, we are living in an emasculated nation full of 'Diana' types....and that's just the males.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Jun 18 1.39pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


This tragedy was truly horrific and relatively recent.

But the greater point Becky makes is spot on. The Falklands anniversary passed and hardly anybody noticed.

It's the nature of things and maybe that's best, unless we are talking about world wars with living relatives.

However, we are living in an emasculated nation full of 'Diana' types....and that's just the males.

People die every day in large numbers often in accidents. These particular people died needless horrible deaths but I see no real difference.
The best tribute one could pay would be to ensure that this sort of tragedy doesn't happen. In fairness, it was already a very rare event.
The families of the victims need to mourn in their own way but the current trend toward mass mysery is not traditionally a very'English' thing.

 

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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Typical! Can't shut up! Even for sixty seconds!

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

People die every day in large numbers often in accidents. These particular people died needless horrible deaths but I see no real difference.
The best tribute one could pay would be to ensure that this sort of tragedy doesn't happen. In fairness, it was already a very rare event.
The families of the victims need to mourn in their own way but the current trend toward mass mysery is not traditionally a very'English' thing.

Yep, but apparently acting 'English' is boring....as one of our lefty friends pointed out a few days ago.

The England I grew up in....the UK that won the Falklands for example has disappeared. Another lefty also made that same point.

In truth they aren't that wrong. The majority of the younger generation have been brainwashed and aren't that interested in their own country.

That won't be my boys though, toddlers at the moment. However, their future might best lie elsewhere depending upon how this country goes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jun 2018 3.19pm)

 


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Originally posted by Jimenez

Your correct of course. Most of it is politically driven bollocks as most of them (politicians) neither have the balls or inclination to root out the answers in the first place.


Much truth in this as the essential common sense lessons learnt esp. from Grenfell would've been incorporated into emergency legislation already. Instead it becomes one public inquiry after another then another with the extent of the truth rarely revealed for contrived reasons e.g. protecting The Establishment typically. Grenfell is an example of how the ordinary people in society had their needs of basic safety ignored bu the powers-that-be with the latter only interested in profit making first and foremost.

I always feel for the victims and their families when something truly awful occurs but surely what the latter want at the end of the day is not just remembrance but ultimate justice and the hope that such events will not be allowed to recur again and affect other completely innocent individuals.

 

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Originally posted by becky

Today in my local Tesco we were all asked to stop shopping and to observe a minute's silence to show respect for the victims of the Grenfell fire. A few weeks ago, it was the same for Stephen Lawrence, and before that for the victims of the Manchester Arena attack.

Why?

What purpose does it serve to do this nationwide? Why am I expected to show 'respect' for these total strangers who were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Whilst I am very sorry that they lost their lives and that there are families left to mourn them, I don't feel that it is my place to do so.

I can understand, and will gladly observe a silence for Remembrance Day - these were people who went to war and laid down their lives so that the rest of us could live in freedom from tyranny (well, that was the intention), so yes, they deserve a national time for reflection and respect for the sacrifice they made for their country and all in it. Likewise, if it is for someone whose life was in some way entwined with mine - a fellow Palace fan/player/manager or a local person who has served their community of which I am part and who in some way has had an influence or effect on my life - at least I can relate to it.

However, this having the country stop for any and every event in which someone died is going to get increasingly ridiculous - why don't we start a Hither Green Memorial silence, an Aberfan disaster silence, a London IRA bombing silence, a Moorgate Tube disaster silence...... the list could go on and on until we end up standing still for the better part of every day.

Does anyone actually think that this is a good thing or that it serves any useful purpose, or is necessary to anyone?

I do hope Tesco were offering a counselling opportunity after subjecting all the shoppers to this trauma. Alternatively you could make a claim for psychological suffering.

 

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