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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Aug 19 4.43pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If you think selling our best players every time a big club comes calling is the way forward then you are more of an idiot than I thought.

You resort to calling people idiots like you think it’s a strength or something to be proud of, when in this thread you’re showing to be exactly what you’re accusing. Try some lateral thinking rather than that of a child who’s lost his favourite player.

All you’ve done in this thread is say we shouldn’t sell or shouldn’t have sold AWB but when anyone presents anything sensible or logical to you you say nothing or the same thing again. And you call people idiots. Laughable. It’s real life, not a game you walk away from.

All your reply says is you have nothing to offer on the subject and just act like a stubborn child.

 


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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag Sittingbourne 16 Aug 19 4.53pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Selling AWB was the best bit of business we have done in a while.

No RB has ever moved mountains for a club, especially one whos only attribute is tackling - not even positional sense or ability on the ball in terms of control, being able to beat a player or even cross it. £50million was fantastic thank you very much and we can all remain AWB fans (even still hating UNited) and I hope he does well.

We just need now to reinvest that money in the team and.... oh yeah.

Thought this was a thread on Wilf?

 

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View midlandspalace's Profile midlandspalace Flag kidderminster 16 Aug 19 4.55pm Send a Private Message to midlandspalace Add midlandspalace as a friend

This thread has not been about Zaha for pages now, just a petty argument between Rudi and Hrolf about AWB. Can it be locked, or irrelevant posts deleted?

Thankfully the kids go back to school in two weeks.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 16 Aug 19 5.16pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

If you think selling our best players every time a big club comes calling is the way forward then you are more of an idiot than I thought.

Down to the player not the club.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Aug 19 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You resort to calling people idiots like you think it’s a strength or something to be proud of, when in this thread you’re showing to be exactly what you’re accusing. Try some lateral thinking rather than that of a child who’s lost his favourite player.

All you’ve done in this thread is say we shouldn’t sell or shouldn’t have sold AWB but when anyone presents anything sensible or logical to you you say nothing or the same thing again. And you call people idiots. Laughable. It’s real life, not a game you walk away from.

All your reply says is you have nothing to offer on the subject and just act like a stubborn child.

Give it a rest for christ sake.

If you don't agree with me then great. I really don't care.

 

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 16 Aug 19 7.46pm Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

Originally posted by black eagle.

People calling Tammy Abrahams the N word on Twitter arfter missing pen in shot out.

If Wilf wants to go to Chelsea and be subjected to this then be my guest.

Unfortunately Chelsea fans have a long history of it. A few decades ago they had a player making his debut for them and it was against us, his name was Paul Canoville . The game was at Palace and they were giving him loads of s***, it was really bad, I couldn’t understand why they were giving him such abuse. We already had Vince Hilaire playing for us and he was adored by the fans and he was a brilliant player in his day. You would have thought we would have moved on from all this by now...

 

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View Alex1991's Profile Alex1991 Flag Ashford 16 Aug 19 9.24pm Send a Private Message to Alex1991 Add Alex1991 as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

Unfortunately Chelsea fans have a long history of it. A few decades ago they had a player making his debut for them and it was against us, his name was Paul Canoville . The game was at Palace and they were giving him loads of s***, it was really bad, I couldn’t understand why they were giving him such abuse. We already had Vince Hilaire playing for us and he was adored by the fans and he was a brilliant player in his day. You would have thought we would have moved on from all this by now...

And yet it's getting worse.

 


"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

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View Gary St.Andrews's Profile Gary St.Andrews Flag Kenley 18 Aug 19 10.53am Send a Private Message to Gary St.Andrews Add Gary St.Andrews as a friend

I didn’t want to start another Wilf thread, so take a look at the Graeme Souness column in the Sunday times. It could have been written by a Palace fan.

He is one pundit who I don’t mind listening to...

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 18 Aug 19 11.14am Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

I didn’t want to start another Wilf thread, so take a look at the Graeme Souness column in the Sunday times. It could have been written by a Palace fan.

He is one pundit who I don’t mind listening to...

Good spot. A link for others [Link]

 

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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Flag London 18 Aug 19 11.21am Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Good spot. A link for others [Link]

Don’t have a Times subscription, any chance someone who does can paste the text

 

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View StevieNight's Profile StevieNight Flag Maidstone 18 Aug 19 11.30am Send a Private Message to StevieNight Add StevieNight as a friend

Originally posted by coulsdoneagle

Don’t have a Times subscription, any chance someone who does can paste the text

Here ya go:

Quote Wilfried Zaha is good enough to play for Europe’s elite — Barcelona, Bayern Munich or Real Madrid — as well as any of the Premier League’s top clubs. That’s how highly I rate him.

He is also good enough, in today’s market, to justify the £80m transfer fee that Crystal Palace want for him. The hardest place to play is up front, and if defenders such as Harry Maguire are moving for £80m, Palace are entitled to ask the same for an attacker who is their main man by a mile.

It might surprise a few people who have Zaha down as a diver, but I would also describe him as a warrior winger because the more you show a physical attitude towards him, the more he will come right back at you. He likes that and sees it as a personal challenge. His situation at Palace has some similarities with mine at Middlesbrough before I joined Liverpool in January 1978. I threatened to down tools to get my move because I had a chance to join a club who had just won the European Cup for the first time.

Middlesbrough were not happy but received a fee of £352,000, which at the time was a record between two English clubs. John Neal, my manager at Middlesbrough, was a really nice man who had been around the block, much like Roy Hodgson has, but deep down I’m sure he knew why I wanted to leave. As a player in that situation, you’re thinking: “This might be my one chance to get this big move.” Yet for Zaha, provided he doesn’t get a bad injury, it will still be there for him next year.

With respect to Palace’s players, attackers of his talent need to be supplied quality — the ball arriving quicker and more accurately, with the correct pace on it. In a good team, one that dominates games, he would be sensational.

I criticised Paul Pogba here last Sunday for being in a dressing room with his Manchester United teammates and not wanting to be part of the group going into the new season. That’s also true of Zaha, yet that is where the comparison ends because for someone at Crystal Palace the chance to join Arsenal, one of England’s bigger clubs, is an obvious upgrade.

To his credit, Zaha does the hard yards going back towards his own goal at Palace and is also expected to be the difference when he gets into the attacking third. He is at his best as a wide player running at people. One on one, he takes some stopping because he has electric pace and is so aggressive. He can be erratic, but in a good team, getting the ball fed to him accurately and early, he’d be a real asset and potentially the difference in big games.

When Palace beat Leicester 1-0 at Selhurst Park last December, it ended a run of 13 straight league defeats without Zaha for them dating back to a 3-2 win against Sunderland in September 2016. That shows how important he is to them. They’re a very different team without him and it’s not just his goals — because he is not a prolific goalscorer — but his assists as well. He is a proper handful and you wouldn’t want to play against him.

That’s why Roy will use all his experience as a manager to get the best out of Zaha while he is still a Palace player. They might have to sit him down and say: “We’ll agree a price, if somebody meets it next summer or at Christmas [although Roy will want him for the season] you can go.” If I was Zaha’s agent, that’s what I would be pushing for, too.

If I’m Roy Hodgson, I’m appealing to the player’s professionalism and reminding him the club has been good for him — not in terms of what they’re paying him, but how they have nurtured him. I’d say: “This is where it started for you, you went away and came back, but they love you here, give it another year and see where we are in 12 months and everything’s forgotten.”

I’d hope for his sake and his own professional pride that when he looks back on his career when it has finished, he does the right thing now because he is much loved at that club and rightly so. You could say it has suited him being a big fish in a small pond, but you would also hope there’s a niggle in the boy to challenge himself and say, “I didn’t do myself justice at a big club the last time, so I’ve got to get out there again and prove to all my doubters I can.”

I am not convinced Aaron Wan-Bissaka’s £50m move to Manchester United this summer unsettled Zaha — perhaps it did, if they were mates or Zaha’s wondering where the club is going if it’s selling its best young players. His own £10m move to United in 2013, when Alex Ferguson signed him shortly before stepping down, might have been too much, too soon, when there was also a change of manager to David Moyes to factor in.

I still see Zaha ending up at a big club again, whether it’s this Christmas or next summer. He might have to accept it’s not this summer, although it is only in England that the transfer window is shut. It is open in France, Germany, Italy and Spain until September 2.

It’s second-guessing the situation, but Bayern Munich are looking for a winger, given that Leroy Sane has damaged his cruciate ligaments. If I was still playing, Bayern, Barcelona and Real Madrid are the only clubs I’d consider leaving the Premier League for — and Zaha’s good enough to play for all of them.

 


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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Flag London 18 Aug 19 11.35am Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Thank you Stevie, appreciate it.

 

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