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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 05 Aug 18 12.24am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You had me going until that bold one. I donít see Riedewald as ever being that kind of leader and example setter, which you need in that position. Riedewald may be alright in Spain or Italy or France but until the game changes here I donít see it, and I know you donít like the English way on the pitch but that is what it is and Iíd rather stay here for a decade and hopefully another few than trying to change the English dynamic with bottom half players.

Yep, the whole of England came with the exact same rhetoric about Pep and his style of play for years. He got more points in England than he did with arguably the best team of all time in Spain. And if not certainly one of the best, with Messi, Xavi & Iniesta all in their prime. The English superiority, and the notion you canít play a certain style in the Premier League is just this strange myth spouted by people who are so desperate to cling onto a football that doesnít exist anymore. And people are actually starting to clock onto this, albeit agonisingly slowly.

I have no problem with us doing what we have to do. Or the deficiencies we have as a bottom half team that mean we need the ďdestroyerĒ type players in midfield. What I have a problem with is the proportion in which we seem to nearly always favour these type of players. Itís something Iíve ranted on here about many times, and itís what I truly believe. Unless we re rig the balance of the squad in a more progressive fashion, in my opinion, we will be fighting relegation more often than not until a point in which we go down anyway. And because of our reluctance to adapt our philosophy, find it very hard to come back up.

For me the sale of Riedewald is the definition on undermining the type of progression we should be targeting. I donít think itís about the league heís playing in at all, I think what he lacks in brute strength he makes up for in his reading of the game and could quite easily develop into an excellent anchor to a back 4. Regardless of the country heís playing in.

As I said earlier, itís a game of opinions. But Iím just stating the reasons why Iím personally disappointed weíve deemed him surplus to requirements and would be even more disappointed to see him go.

Edited by Mstrobez (05 Aug 2018 12.30am)

 


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View comeonyoueagles20's Profile comeonyoueagles20 Flag caterham 05 Aug 18 12.50am Send a Private Message to comeonyoueagles20 Add comeonyoueagles20 as a friend

This thread reminds me of that bloke who rambled on about Stuart Okeefe being the next frank lampard.

 

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View Mstrobez's Profile Mstrobez Flag 05 Aug 18 12.55am Send a Private Message to Mstrobez Add Mstrobez as a friend

Originally posted by comeonyoueagles20

This thread reminds me of that bloke who rambled on about Stuart Okeefe being the next frank lampard.

Ouch, got me with that one. How will I ever recover from such a deadly blow.

If you think OíKeefe is even in the same galaxy as Riedewald, I think that pretty much sums up your grasp of this particular situation.

Edited by Mstrobez (05 Aug 2018 12.58am)

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Ouch, got me with that one. How will I ever recover from such a deadly blow.

If you think OíKeefe is even in the same galaxy as Riedewald, I think that pretty much sums up your grasp of this particular situation.

Edited by Mstrobez (05 Aug 2018 12.58am)

Didnít say that did I , mind you OíKeefe will be in the Prem next season and Riedewald wonít , but no Was more a comparison of delusions I.e he thought OíKeefe was the next Lampard, my grasp is quite clear Luka is miles ahead of Riedewald , Iíve noticed that Luka had a superior passing completion to Riedewald despite playing 6x more minutes.......

 

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Originally posted by comeonyoueagles20

Didnít say that did I , mind you OíKeefe will be in the Prem next season and Riedewald wonít , but no Was more a comparison of delusions I.e he thought OíKeefe was the next Lampard, my grasp is quite clear Luka is miles ahead of Riedewald , Iíve noticed that Luka had a superior passing completion to Riedewald despite playing 6x more minutes.......

Yet, at 21 his interceptions and tackles won are higher. Swings and roundabouts. For that to mean anything youíd also have to pretend Iím calling for Riedewald to play over Luka, which Iíve consistently said Iím not.

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Aug 18 6.50am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Riedewald isnít very mobile. Thatís my concern, and in the premier league it can deem you pointless on the pitch at times. Anchors at the back are fine but without any mobility youíre at a loss. He probably will at some point be a top league starter but I donít expect it to be with anyone letís say established or more. Heís a maybe, not an expected to.

 


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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Yet, at 21 his interceptions and tackles won are higher. Swings and roundabouts. For that to mean anything youíd also have to pretend Iím calling for Riedewald to play over Luka, which Iíve consistently said Iím not.

Night


Edited by Mstrobez (05 Aug 2018 1.13am)

This leads back to what is he? You say an anchor but not replace Luka. So what then? Heís not a box to box and heís not similar to Cabaye, Jimmy or Meyer. He kind of occupies a space. Ok if youíre defending for 90 minutes but what if youíre not?

I donít see him as a centre half either and if weíre waiting to play 3 at the back again it could be a very long wait. I think Mstrobez was gutted we sacked Frank, but that in reality had to happen because Frank was a lunatic living in a fantasy.

 


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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 05 Aug 18 7.54am Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

While nobody seems to be disputing that Riedewald has ability it is clear that he does not fit Royís narrow 4-4- 2 formation.
Roy has used him occasionally in midfield when short of players in this area and he has done a job while never looking as if he would cement a place.
Two new midfielders joined last week and there could be another addition next week.
If heís not going to be involved itís better to move on for his career.

 

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We are going in the right direction on and off the field if JR goes then there will be good reason behind it.

 

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Originally posted by Mstrobez

Yet, at 21 his interceptions and tackles won are higher. Swings and roundabouts. For that to mean anything youíd also have to pretend Iím calling for Riedewald to play over Luka, which Iíve consistently said Iím not.

Night


Edited by Mstrobez (05 Aug 2018 1.13am)

No for it to mean anything you would of needed to say Riedewald is a better passer , you also mentioned about lukaís short passing being poor . I also havenít questioned Riedewalds defensive qualityís as a holding midfielder just that we currently have better players in his position and he is unlikely to play , I personally would loan him to Swansea and see how it gets on , would be be interested to see if he kept those figures up over a season though.

 

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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

This leads back to what is he? You say an anchor but not replace Luka. So what then? Heís not a box to box and heís not similar to Cabaye, Jimmy or Meyer. He kind of occupies a space. Ok if youíre defending for 90 minutes but what if youíre not?

I donít see him as a centre half either and if weíre waiting to play 3 at the back again it could be a very long wait. I think Mstrobez was gutted we sacked Frank, but that in reality had to happen because Frank was a lunatic living in a fantasy.

Why donít you re read the post again instead of talking s***. Heís a 21 year old. Of course heís not ready to replace Luka. We have absolutely no need to replace Luka at this point in time either. Stop trying to twist things.

Problem with you Rudi, is weíve had debates before. Including on the FdB debacle. And you keep biting, but when someone lays it out for you on a plate and in detail, the only thing you can come back with is strawman nonsense.

You need to learn how to disagree with other people like an adult rather than resorting to playground antics when someone offers a well reasoned and balanced alternative to the position youíve taken up. Usually because thatís the position most other people have taken up too, therefore you see it as gospel.

 


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In an ideal world, a loan move to Swansea would be perfect.

A chance to play a full season in an intense English league for a good team.

It remains to be seen quite how good he is, but if he was an academy/home-grown player I think the reaction to this potential move would be very different.

Our most exciting youngster, pre-Meyer. Not saying he'll ever cut it in the Premier League but it'd be foolish on Palace's behalf to cut him off already.

 

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