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View pssguy's Profile pssguy Flag 05 Aug 18 5.16pm Send a Private Message to pssguy Add pssguy as a friend

Originally posted by TomThePalaceFanatic

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Our most exciting youngster, pre-Meyer. Not saying he'll ever cut it in the Premier League but it'd be foolish on Palace's behalf to cut him off already.

I prefer Wan-Bissaka

 

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View TomThePalaceFanatic's Profile TomThePalaceFanatic Flag 05 Aug 18 5.18pm Send a Private Message to TomThePalaceFanatic Add TomThePalaceFanatic as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

I prefer Wan-Bissaka

Will be very interesting to see how he progresses this season, but early signs are good

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Aug 18 6.09pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Mstrobez

Why donít you re read the post again instead of talking s***. Heís a 21 year old. Of course heís not ready to replace Luka. We have absolutely no need to replace Luka at this point in time either. Stop trying to twist things.

Problem with you Rudi, is weíve had debates before. Including on the FdB debacle. And you keep biting, but when someone lays it out for you on a plate and in detail, the only thing you can come back with is strawman nonsense.

You need to learn how to disagree with other people like an adult rather than resorting to playground antics when someone offers a well reasoned and balanced alternative to the position youíve taken up. Usually because thatís the position most other people have taken up too, therefore you see it as gospel.

Only Iíve brought in what does he offer because he doesnít and I canít see him offering enough in any of the several positions discussed at this level. You donít like that so youíre getting upset, chucking your toys out on the thread in general and canít get your head around weíll have surplus players in midfield vs very few faster forward players and an unfavoured by the manager who didnít buy him midfielder bought for £8 mil sitting in the stands.

And if I remember rightly you sulked about Frank being sacked and were ok with us to get relegated so weíd somehow create this romantic footballing philosophy for decades to come with a complete ignorant and arrogant cvnt in charge who went against agreements when hired and alienated parts of the squad before recalling them.

Unfortunately football has become more and more short term but with Roy in charge we are building a faster foundation of a passing team going by tactics and dangerous moves last season and purchases this window and other players Roy is interested in like RLC, who again is that more difficult to pay for if we hang onto Riedewald, so no, Iím not the one being childish. And neither am I just agreeing with the masses. I was one of about 3 against hiring Frank. Something I proved months later with posts I made and a few people remembering it. If youíre going to be contrarian, at least be quite sure itís for the good of cpfc because Riedewald has only a slim chance way into the future and weíre not Chelsea stockpiling potentials for years later.

 


COYP

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View coulsdoneagle's Profile coulsdoneagle Flag London 05 Aug 18 6.15pm Send a Private Message to coulsdoneagle Add coulsdoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by comeonyoueagles20

This thread reminds me of that bloke who rambled on about Stuart Okeefe being the next frank lampard.

Dave_meeking, one of my all time favourite posters, absolutely barmy

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Aug 18 6.17pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by TomThePalaceFanatic

In an ideal world, a loan move to Swansea would be perfect.

A chance to play a full season in an intense English league for a good team.

It remains to be seen quite how good he is, but if he was an academy/home-grown player I think the reaction to this potential move would be very different.

Our most exciting youngster, pre-Meyer. Not saying he'll ever cut it in the Premier League but it'd be foolish on Palace's behalf to cut him off already.

The thing is because of his background heís worth a few quid and the wage savings of loaning him out arenít that much in the scheme of things. About £35k per week I think.

Roy and Parish however will see it as stupid keeping hold of him if they can use the transfer money on quality signings that will play. Remember also there may be or probably is a getting ready for Zahaís departure happening and that money and players who will be selected are better for the club than Riedewald who Roy may not believe will make it. He didnít pick him yesterday after Riedewald wants to stay to fight for his place did he?

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Aug 18 6.19pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by pssguy

I prefer Wan-Bissaka

Same. Awesome. And a great attitude and temperament as well. Professional mentality.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Aug 18 6.28pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Well AWB really made Roy's day and ours, that was a last throw having run out of fit defenders.

Keep them all, have too many rather than too few.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 05 Aug 18 6.34pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Well AWB really made Roy's day and ours, that was a last throw having run out of fit defenders.

Keep them all, have too many rather than too few.

Maybe we would if we could afford not to have the money from his sale now or not get very much when itís realised he wonít cut it in the Prem in however many years after paying his wages for nothing much.

 


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Flash Flag Lampeter 05 Aug 18 6.48pm

Originally posted by Mstrobez
Doesn't anyone think of transfer deals from the player's point of view any more?

It must be really tough for young fringe players hoping to break through in PL teams. I thought Riedewald played quite well against Reading and afterwards he was talking enthusiastically about playing in a DM role Ė presumably as cover for or alongside Milivojevic Canít think this was without some discussion with the management. A few days later we sign Kouyate. Shortly after it appears heís offered the opportunity to play in the Championship with a relegated side with an unproven manager and owners who seem prepared to sell off their better players. How suddenly high hopes can be dashed.

Yep, the whole of England came with the exact same rhetoric about Pep and his style of play for years. He got more points in England than he did with arguably the best team of all time in Spain. And if not certainly one of the best, with Messi, Xavi & Iniesta all in their prime. The English superiority, and the notion you canít play a certain style in the Premier League is just this strange myth spouted by people who are so desperate to cling onto a football that doesnít exist anymore. And people are actually starting to clock onto this, albeit agonisingly slowly.

I have no problem with us doing what we have to do. Or the deficiencies we have as a bottom half team that mean we need the ďdestroyerĒ type players in midfield. What I have a problem with is the proportion in which we seem to nearly always favour these type of players. Itís something Iíve ranted on here about many times, and itís what I truly believe. Unless we re rig the balance of the squad in a more progressive fashion, in my opinion, we will be fighting relegation more often than not until a point in which we go down anyway. And because of our reluctance to adapt our philosophy, find it very hard to come back up.

For me the sale of Riedewald is the definition on undermining the type of progression we should be targeting. I donít think itís about the league heís playing in at all, I think what he lacks in brute strength he makes up for in his reading of the game and could quite easily develop into an excellent anchor to a back 4. Regardless of the country heís playing in.

As I said earlier, itís a game of opinions. But Iím just stating the reasons why Iím personally disappointed weíve deemed him surplus to requirements and would be even more disappointed to see him go.

Edited by Mstrobez (05 Aug 2018 12.30am)


 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 05 Aug 18 7.34pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

People can have heated debates on this subject but the fact is the club are prepared to let him go and use him in an exchange for Ayew.
In central midfield he has Luka,Jimmy and the two players signed last week ahead of him.
Thereís also Puncheon,Williams and young players like Kirby competing for a central midfield position in the unlikely event one is available
He wonít get an opportunity at full back or centre back either, so at best he is a fringe squad player.
Heís a good player but surplus to the current needs of the squad.

 

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View dynamicdick's Profile dynamicdick Flag Dormansland 05 Aug 18 9.47pm Send a Private Message to dynamicdick Add dynamicdick as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

People can have heated debates on this subject but the fact is the club are prepared to let him go and use him in an exchange for Ayew.
In central midfield he has Luka,Jimmy and the two players signed last week ahead of him.
Thereís also Puncheon,Williams and young players like Kirby competing for a central midfield position in the unlikely event one is available
He wonít get an opportunity at full back or centre back either, so at best he is a fringe squad player.
Heís a good player but surplus to the current needs of the squad.

Excellent post.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Aug 18 9.59pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Excellent post.

No it is flawed he is not surplus we need talent and ability it is not easy to find.

To improve from the usual yearly struggle to keep in the Premier it needs more players of PL quality, fitness especially.

We have signed 2 lost 5 so far.

Interesting week in prospect!

 

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