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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 08 Oct 18 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

As for climate change.

Personally, regardless of the arguments as too how much and where the blame lies....I kind of think that's besides the point.

Moving away from oil isn't a bad idea...and that's the way it's going anyway.

The issues are the reality that the third world....well essentially all the s***holes around the world aren't going to play ball.

Essentially energy use is linked to population numbers in developed and developing countries.

So unless technology can reduce the problem....if climate change is correct then we are fecked anyway.

It's technology or bust.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 08 Oct 18 9.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Hmmm, I don't like using statistics because they are designed for purpose.
The developed countries populations are increasing, even though the birth rate is dropping. This is due to extended life-span (medicine and food) and migration/immigration.

Conversely, poorer nations have more children to increase the probability of them making adulthood (playing the odds)

A lot of good comments on the thread. Ultimately politics and political boundaries have caused the disparity in wealth which is probably the biggest catalyst for this mess.

That is not the relevant statistic. The birth rate is the only one that matters.
It is true to say that the entire world's birth rate is falling but not fast enough to plateau the global population until it reaches around 20 billion. Far too late. Britain's population is still growing but without the influx of immigrants, it would have begun to fall in the near future. This is a fact that needs to be understood. Most don't understand how to interpret population stats properly.

 

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View serial thriller's Profile serial thriller Flag The Promised Land 08 Oct 18 10.33pm Send a Private Message to serial thriller Add serial thriller as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As for climate change.

Personally, regardless of the arguments as too how much and where the blame lies....I kind of think that's besides the point.

Moving away from oil isn't a bad idea...and that's the way it's going anyway.

The issues are the reality that the third world....well essentially all the s***holes around the world aren't going to play ball.

Essentially energy use is linked to population numbers in developed and developing countries.

So unless technology can reduce the problem....if climate change is correct then we are fecked anyway.

It's technology or bust.

1. That is actually a complete myth. Polling done shows that populations in South America and South East Asia view climate change as a far greater threat than we do in the West. [Link] It is also scientifically provable that those contributing the least emissions are going to be affected far more than those, like us, the US and China, who could do something about it.

2. Do you include the US in this 'sh*thole' countries category?

3. Could you give us any example of a 'sh*thole' country that is proving a major obstacle to us combating climate change?

 


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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 09 Oct 18 8.15am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Oh, you and I will be departing sooner than either of us like to think about.
What needs to happen is a massive sterilisation programme among people who still think that having 10 kids is a good idea.

You are not allowed to diss the travelling community and their culture......

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 09 Oct 18 8.50am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

1. That is actually a complete myth.

That these areas include a lot of s***hole countries? No it isn't....it's a statement of reality.

Originally posted by serial thriller

Polling done shows that populations in South America and South East Asia view climate change as a far greater threat than we do in the West. [Link]

That wasn't any point that I made. It's obvious that climate change is going to affect countries nearer the equator more....so being more concerned about it is just common sense.


Originally posted by serial thriller

It is also scientifically provable that those contributing the least emissions are going to be affected far more than those, like us, the US and China, who could do something about it.

Great logic there serial...you worked out the more developed countries have the larger carbon energy use per human.

However, the point was that it's the areas with the largest populations that are quickly developing but still remain relatively poor.....that's who are really going to worsen the climate because it's about energy per human and they breed like rabbits.


Originally posted by serial thriller

2. Do you include the US in this 'sh*thole' countries category?

Don't be ridiculous. The US has issues but it's the greatest country on earth.....if not perhaps as culturally imbued as its founder nation.

Originally posted by serial thriller

3. Could you give us any example of a 'sh*thole' country that is proving a major obstacle to us combating climate change?

The continents of Africa and South America contain many s***ehole countries, especially Africa...and I shouldn't miss out the middle east....I've just said my comment stated that the real problem comes with their rapid development.....which is a good thing...but it comes with rapid increased energy use.....and that's worse for high population areas.

As I said....it's technology or bust.

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 09 Oct 18 8.56am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is a bit difficult to take becoming 'green' seriously when you know that China and India will be excreting plastic,greenhouse gasses and whatnot by the kiloton for years to come. Any action that happens has to be global or it ain't worth spit.
The only real way to approach this situation is to reduce demand, and the only way to do that is to reduce humans.

And Africa, India ,China are exploding in population,
Guess the most effected areas of change and where those people will have to head??

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 09 Oct 18 9.11am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by becky

You are not allowed to diss the travelling community and their culture......

My experience with 'Travellers' has left me unable to reply with any humour at all.

 

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View Penge Eagle's Profile Penge Eagle Flag Beckenham 14 Oct 18 1.54pm Send a Private Message to Penge Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Penge Eagle as a friend

Now they're telling us to not eat meat to protect the climate, a narrative pushed by the BBC.

Fortunately, the climate minister Claire Perry said it's not the government's job to advise people on a climate-friendly diet. Fair play, a rare bit of commonsense in the government.

But you can see that whose side the 'BBC environment analyst' Roger Harrabin is on...

[Link]

 

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View martin2412's Profile martin2412 Flag The Big Wide World 14 Oct 18 2.19pm Send a Private Message to martin2412 Add martin2412 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

It is a bit difficult to take becoming 'green' seriously when you know that China and India will be excreting plastic,greenhouse gasses and whatnot by the kiloton for years to come. Any action that happens has to be global or it ain't worth spit.
The only real way to approach this situation is to reduce demand, and the only way to do that is to reduce humans.


We need WWIII to save humanity.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Oct 18 4.00pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by martin2412


We need WWIII to save humanity.

I'd prefer something without radiation.

 

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 14 Oct 18 4.38pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Penge Eagle

Now they're telling us to not eat meat to protect the climate, a narrative pushed by the BBC.

Fortunately, the climate minister Claire Perry said it's not the government's job to advise people on a climate-friendly diet. Fair play, a rare bit of commonsense in the government.

But you can see that whose side the 'BBC environment analyst' Roger Harrabin is on...

[Link]

when the BBC advises me to do anything, i do the opposite.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 14 Oct 18 4.58pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

We should all do what we can as responsible people, it is our health and our planet.

You don't have to give up meat just cut down.

But looking at the 5 options there, eating less meat was not the big deal for those interviewed, but keeping warm definitely was.

Extra jumpers etc. no thanks we want the heating on.

 

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