Roy and substitutes
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 pompeyeagle  Relocated to Shropshire 21 Oct 18 7.44pm |
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Originally posted by Cannonball
I'm afraid Roy is past his sell by date. Totally agree. Roy’s old fashioned ways and inability to bring on fresh legs when players are starting to tire is indefensible. Not to mention the fact that he’s had two transfer windows and the only decent player he’s brought in, Meyer, sits on the bench every week.
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| Bert's Boys 21 Oct 18 7.49pm |
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Spot on. Rarely comment on here anymore but I felt after today it was only necessary to. I am astounded at the lack of blame apportioned to Parish here. He's failed to invest properly for over 4 windows now & has not backed Roy when need backing. This past summer, and past January, lacked sufficient investment and it was painfully obvious that our luck wouldn't last much longer. Yes Roy is at fault for lack of subs, completely agree & today all it could have taken was Ayew & Riedewald to freshen the side. But I am slightly perplexed at the Parish protectors who seem to let him get away with daylight robbery.
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boo909  Figeac 21 Oct 18 7.50pm |
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"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Should be our new club motto. Fair enough we don't have an amazingly strong squad but when you're losing nearly every game something has to change, it can't really get any worse, at least your putting on fresh legs, giving other players some match time, you never know they may surprise us, the current first 11 certainly isn't. Roy's sub policy was the same last season, it lost us games then and it's losing us even more games now. I don't think he's a bad manager but, at the risk of being patronising, I do think his age is showing, with his stubborness, the way he can't seem to react quickly enough to changes in the game and his inability to switch from his preferred tactics when they don't work. Not putting all the blame on Roy (as has been pointed out we don't have the best squad) but when you're stuck with a team like ours you need someone who can get the best out of them and Roy, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be that person.
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chateauferret  21 Oct 18 7.56pm |
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Originally posted by Painter
Used all 3 subs against Bournemouth and lost. So your point is? Bournemouth hadn't just brought on Calvert-Lewin, Lookman and Cenk Tosun to break a deadlock. That tactical change by Everton required some sort of response: either we try to freshen up our own attack and exploit the space they leave at the back trying to carry the game to us; or we stoke the midfield and add to the defence by sacrificing a few Townsend crosses-to-nobody. The former was unlikely given the attacking options available (although we might have tried Ayew); the latter was manifestly possible with Riedewald and Kelly available but McArthur evidently spent. Hodgson did neither. Edited by chateauferret (21 Oct 2018 8.00pm)
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 21 Oct 18 7.58pm |
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Originally posted by boo909
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." Should be our new club motto. Fair enough we don't have an amazingly strong squad but when you're losing nearly every game something has to change, it can't really get any worse, at least your putting on fresh legs, giving other players some match time, you never know they may surprise us, the current first 11 certainly isn't. Roy's sub policy was the same last season, it lost us games then and it's losing us even more games now. I don't think he's a bad manager but, at the risk of being patronising, I do think his age is showing, with his stubborness, the way he can't seem to react quickly enough to changes in the game and his inability to switch from his preferred tactics when they don't work. Not putting all the blame on Roy (as has been pointed out we don't have the best squad) but when you're stuck with a team like ours you need someone who can get the best out of them and Roy, unfortunately, doesn't seem to be that person. Poor Hodgson went through thr wringer last season and performed a miracle in keeping us up. What many saw as his strengths last season IE rigid tactical discipline and organisation is now seen as a weakness. Reading a number of the posts, in many eyes he has gone from hero to zero.
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| chateauferret 21 Oct 18 8.03pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Poor Hodgson went through thr wringer last season and performed a miracle in keeping us up. What many saw as his strengths last season IE rigid tactical discipline and organisation is now seen as a weakness. Reading a number of the posts, in many eyes he has gone from hero to zero. His tactical discipline was evident today in eighty-five minutes of a strong defensive display. We looked solid and well-organised. There was no weakness there. The weakness was failing to respond to, much less anticipate, tactical changes being made by the opposition and the tiredness of our own players. So 8/10 for discipline and organisation minus several million for game management.
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| deetee 21 Oct 18 8.19pm |
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We need to be far more positive in the final 3rd at least 4 occasions where players could shoot but didn't Roy has to realise Macca doesn't last more than 70 mins. We badly miss Cabaye and RLC
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| Booted Eagle Bristol 21 Oct 18 8.32pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
His tactical discipline was evident today in eighty-five minutes of a strong defensive display. We looked solid and well-organised. There was no weakness there. The weakness was failing to respond to, much less anticipate, tactical changes being made by the opposition and the tiredness of our own players. So 8/10 for discipline and organisation minus several million for game management. Against Wolves seemed to be outdone earlier with them as they did not do as expected but gave us a lot of possession and we did not adapt early to them and went behind as well. As you say game management seems to be non existent at the moment.
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| baldeagle73 Leamington spa 21 Oct 18 9.10pm |
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The substitutes wouldn't have made any difference it's the system that needs to change we need some sort of attacking intent which we don't have were like stoke of last year what difference would ayew have made he's average at best Wickham hasn't played for 2 years puncheon is past it nobody on today's bench would have changed a thing in my humble opinion what needed to change was the tactics
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| gerry theagle newbury 21 Oct 18 9.26pm |
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Agree entirely with baldeagle, look at Evertons bench then look at ours, we do not possess game changers so when you are doing ok at 0-0 with three minutes left there is nothing to be gained from changing the team.
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| Rachid Rachid Rachid 21 Oct 18 9.35pm |
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Originally posted by baldeagle73
The substitutes wouldn't have made any difference it's the system that needs to change we need some sort of attacking intent which we don't have were like stoke of last year what difference would ayew have made he's average at best Wickham hasn't played for 2 years puncheon is past it nobody on today's bench would have changed a thing in my humble opinion what needed to change was the tactics Agree with this but to have attacking intent you need decent attacking players. The chances we made today only really came from set pieces although Tomkins chance was gilt edge. Don't like to dig out individuals but Townsend really starting to give me the bollock ache.
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| Brinscall Eagle Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 21 Oct 18 9.39pm |
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For substitutions to change a game you need players who are either different or better than the players on the pitch. Our problem is nobody on the bench was of better quality than the players on it nor of a type to change the shape of the game. We were matching Everton , for 85 minutes , so why would you want to bring on players of lesser ability or players that could not change the shape of the team. Roy did nothing wrong the footballing Gods are just not with us at the moment.
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