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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Jan 19 6.48pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

As Socrates said: When the debate is over, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

In writing crude and disrespectful steeleye20 is not making a false statement, so cannot be slander.

 

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Originally posted by Tickled pink

In writing crude and disrespectful steeleye20 is not making a false statement, so cannot be slander.

Matter of opinion, it would have to be proved as such which I challenge you to do as I can't see that I've been anything but factual.
Technically, it's libel but the Socrates' quote was too perfect.

 

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

I don't hate Roy Hodgson, I actually back him as Palace's manager and think he's the right man for the job given the circumstances. I've commented previously on how the club is run, and how RH can be one dimensional. He hits his targets and has found his level.

I challenged the believe that he was a successful England manager. He wasn't. He was a disaster for the (as yet) unchallenged facts:

Harry Kane on corners
3 tournament game wins in 11 attempts
Iceland
World Cup 2014


By Phil McNulty

Chief football writer......

The ultimate responsibility lies with the manager but, make no mistake, he was badly let down by players capable of so much better - not just on this black night for English sport but throughout Euro 2016.

Hart has had a nightmare tournament, young hopes such as Harry Kane and Dele Alli failed to live up to their performances last season, and captain Rooney, who had been England's best player up until this game, chose this night to give one of his worst performances in an international.

England were shown up by the work-rate, desire and sheer physical commitment of their counterparts. Yes, Hodgson will take the blame and has paid the price but these highly paid Premier League players should not escape criticism.

..calm down ChrisGC!

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 02 Jan 19 7.08pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink


By Phil McNulty

Chief football writer......

The ultimate responsibility lies with the manager but, make no mistake, he was badly let down by players capable of so much better - not just on this black night for English sport but throughout Euro 2016.

Hart has had a nightmare tournament, young hopes such as Harry Kane and Dele Alli failed to live up to their performances last season, and captain Rooney, who had been England's best player up until this game, chose this night to give one of his worst performances in an international.

England were shown up by the work-rate, desire and sheer physical commitment of their counterparts. Yes, Hodgson will take the blame and has paid the price but these highly paid Premier League players should not escape criticism.

..calm down ChrisGC!

Agree with all of that, not sure how it proves I'm incorrect about RH.

Edited by ChrisGC (02 Jan 2019 7.09pm)

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Jan 19 7.35pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

The corner taking thing was a bit silly, but there's a lot to say about camaraderie and this helped Iceland hugely as it did with Southgate's campaign.

 

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

Agree with all of that, not sure how it proves I'm incorrect about RH.

Edited by ChrisGC (02 Jan 2019 7.09pm)

You can understand that the manager informs the players what to do on the pitch and although the corner taking was silly Rooney did mention he stepped in and took lots of them, which indicates nicely that in the end it's the players on the pitch that decide the managers outcome.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 02 Jan 19 8.48pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

You can understand that the manager informs the players what to do on the pitch and although the corner taking was silly Rooney did mention he stepped in and took lots of them, which indicates nicely that in the end it's the players on the pitch that decide the managers outcome.

That would wash if it was over the course of one game...

It wasn't, Kane did it in a couple of matches at least. Therefore, either it was an endorsed action or instructions were being ignored. Both signs of poor management.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Jan 19 9.52pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

That would wash if it was over the course of one game...

It wasn't, Kane did it in a couple of matches at least. Therefore, either it was an endorsed action or instructions were being ignored. Both signs of poor management.

You have to also include that England had other players in the box to make a nuisance of themselves in corner situations as we did very successfully with Southgate ..Kane wouldn't be the only threat but I do agree it was daft and because we lost it looked extremely daft, but the end result wasn't because Kane took some corners, but because over the course of the game Iceland had more fight in them, which comes down to the players on the pitch not the manager.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 02 Jan 19 10.40pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

You have to also include that England had other players in the box to make a nuisance of themselves in corner situations as we did very successfully with Southgate ..Kane wouldn't be the only threat but I do agree it was daft and because we lost it looked extremely daft, but the end result wasn't because Kane took some corners, but because over the course of the game Iceland had more fight in them, which comes down to the players on the pitch not the manager.

I see what you're saying, fair enough.

Kane on corners though...

The trump card for all RH debates. Gets worse the more you think about it lol

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 02 Jan 19 11.24pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

I see what you're saying, fair enough.

Kane on corners though...

The trump card for all RH debates. Gets worse the more you think about it lol

Yes, it does look bad! lol, but you have to stand back and take in the whole picture, media etc love to make headlines with lovely scapegoats on top and poor Hodgson had to stand down, he is a much better manager then you realise.
Happy new year.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

The better team Iceland won on the day, that's all.

But his record is excellent, few England managers get close.


If you look at his overall record, no other manager has a better record, not even Robson or Ramsey

 

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Originally posted by ChrisGC

Give over, pure whataboutary.

Statistics can be twisted to prove any point, no matter how ridiculous: 73% of people know that :-)

The majority of those games were against dogs' dinner teams like San Marino or whoever. I'd be confident that I could round up a few of the lads and manage a pub team to victory. Ramsey et al didn't have these rounds and rounds of lip-service games. Their stats might look worse, but are comparatively much better pound for pound.

By your logic, Alardyce is the greatest England manager of all time, 100% record after all...

Hodgson was well and truly found out and the only stats that reflect his time in charge are:

Iceland result.
World Cup 2014.
Kane on corners.



Is that a joke ? "statistics can be twisted " "73% of people know that" ha ha very funny.

 

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