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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Jan 19 12.43pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by ChrisGC

Why do you keep calling my intellect into question over a completely hypothetical, some would say complete fantasy of a scenario?

In your little time machine caper, don't kill baby Hitler mate, you spare him just in case killing millions of people isn't the worst outcome and then mentor him through art school, it's just an opinion you crack on.

Dunno why you keep trying to take the high ground, it looks a bit mental to be honest.

I give up.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Jan 19 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

A few posters in this thread would be my choice

It would be the humane thing to do.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag The toppermost of the poppermost 24 Jan 19 1.10pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I just want to say a thanks to the mods.

I appreciate the work and hassle they put up with to keep this forum running.

Sure we all may differ on that or this decision but these guys and gals shouldn't get the hassle and grief I know they have received in the past.

PS.....All fives...no tens.

I think this is why there are so many ex-mods.

 


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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 25 Jan 19 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by NickinOX

Genocide requires a significant degree of intent. As soon as the conditions in the camps in South Africa were exposed in the British press, the government changed the way they were administered.

"Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide
Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

You might also want to read about what happened after the appalling mismanagement of the camps was exposed.

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Was it horrific, unwarranted, and negligent? Yes. But that does not make it genocide.

Edited by NickinOX (22 Jan 2019 6.07pm)

Under that convention, the British have certainly been involved in genocide and in living memory.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 25 Jan 19 3.41pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

Under that convention, the British have certainly been involved in genocide and in living memory.

Where in living memory? This ridiculous apologising and revising the history of the past is all the rage - whether true or not. It's like a rush to say how bad 'we' were. Believe me, nearly every other country has done worse, yet they spend no time worrying about it. This actually plays into the hands of the 'white man's burden' narrative.

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 25 Jan 19 3.44pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Where in living memory? This ridiculous apologising and revising the history of the past is all the rage - whether true or not. It's like a rush to say how bad 'we' were. Believe me, nearly every other country has done worse, yet they spend no time worrying about it. This actually plays into the hands of the 'white man's burden' narrative.

Well said

 

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 25 Jan 19 7.11pm Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Where in living memory? This ridiculous apologising and revising the history of the past is all the rage - whether true or not. It's like a rush to say how bad 'we' were. Believe me, nearly every other country has done worse, yet they spend no time worrying about it. This actually plays into the hands of the 'white man's burden' narrative.

I'm not apologising for, or revising anything. Your right, we're not the worst and it could be argued that there is not a major European power that has not engaged in Genocide under the current U.N. convention. Then there's the Japanese, the Chinese, the Turks, the Austrailians, the Americans, etc, etc.

Belgium for instance massacred an estimated 10 Million Congolise Africans over a forty year period and chopped off the hands, feet and gentials of many more.

The Germans, well we all know what they did in the 1940's but no one really knows or cares about what they did in Namibia. 75 percent of the entire population. Some historians put it as high as 90 percent. Can you imagine, a whole country.. The French and the Italians also have their own crosses to bare.

There are no memorials or plaques. Even that would be something. Isn't that the argument for remembering the Holocaust and the reason that in every European country there is a memoral to the Jews that were killed. "Lest we forget"..

The truth is we forget too easily and history repeats. On top of that we are selective when we do remember. The Germans are not an evil people and yet, the Nazi's appeared. In the right circumstances, people and even nations are capable of the most inhuman acts. There is a saying, "He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities". If you forget what you did before you repeat it.

There is an argument that says, well that was then and this is now and I get that. I don't necessarily agree with that but I think it's a point of view that could sensibly be made but for me, what's worse is not even acknowledging what did happen.

In answer to your first question, the answer is Kenya. Every part I highlighted in the previous post, in regards to the U.N. Definition of Genocide applies to our activity in Kenya.

Again, are we the worst, not by any stretch and despite our sometimes shady history, few countries on earth have had a bigger influence on the world we live in today but the revision of history is in the "forgetting" or "ignoring", not the in acknowledgement of crimes past. Recoqnising past mistakes is a freeing process and helps to move away from guilt and shame, that is why it is important.

I know it is difficult for some people to accept, because, it's a difficult and complicated history we have, however, if a country or a person for that matter, does not acknowledge where they are coming from, with honesty, then they will always be confused as to who they are, what they stand for and what they hope to achieve.

There is another point and that is whether or not one conciders the U.N. definition to be what Genocide actually is. It is a legal definition but some may not agree with it.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 29 Jan 19 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

Again, are we the worst, not by any stretch and despite our sometimes shady history, few countries on earth have had a bigger influence on the world we live in today but the revision of history is in the "forgetting" or "ignoring", not the in acknowledgement of crimes past. Recoqnising past mistakes is a freeing process and helps to move away from guilt and shame, that is why it is important.

I know it is difficult for some people to accept, because, it's a difficult and complicated history we have, however, if a country or a person for that matter, does not acknowledge where they are coming from, with honesty, then they will always be confused as to who they are, what they stand for and what they hope to achieve.

There is another point and that is whether or not one conciders the U.N. definition to be what Genocide actually is. It is a legal definition but some may not agree with it.


So lets get this right....because depending upon who it is these arguments differ.

Are you saying that it is correct that the sins of grandfathers should be visited upon the grandchildren? Because with your suggestion of 'shame' that seems to be what is being suggested.

If someone I was related to genetically....even distantly did something good or bad.....Do I have a cause to celebrate or regret that?

A genetic inheritance from history in other words.

In what way am I related to this people who committed these crimes that I should guilt and shame about?

I know what I think but I'd like you to clarify your position.


Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jan 2019 1.25pm)

 

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View Mr Palaceman's Profile Mr Palaceman Flag 29 Jan 19 5.50pm Send a Private Message to Mr Palaceman Add Mr Palaceman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


So lets get this right....because depending upon who it is these arguments differ.

Are you saying that it is correct that the sins of grandfathers should be visited upon the grandchildren? Because with your suggestion of 'shame' that seems to be what is being suggested.

If someone I was related to genetically....even distantly did something good or bad.....Do I have a cause to celebrate or regret that?

A genetic inheritance from history in other words.

In what way am I related to this people who committed these crimes that I should guilt and shame about?

I know what I think but I'd like you to clarify your position.


Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jan 2019 1.25pm)

No, what I am saying is that, what has happened in the past has happened. It can be denied or just ignored, or it can be learnt from so that it is not repeated.

There are those that are fighting in various courts, just to get what happened to them recoqnised.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 29 Jan 19 5.59pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Bit of a bizarre thread

Surely if you were able to time travel your best option would be either to affect Hitler's upbringing so that he didn't end up like he did, or to school someone else to get ahead of Hitler and lead the Nazi party in a different direction.

Killing the baby Hitler would be far too random. A bit like killing Saddam Hussain or Osama Bin Laden without a plan for the after-effects. You never know, whatever comes instead could be even worse. V3s carrying nuclear heads anyone?

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 29 Jan 19 6.32pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Bit of a bizarre thread

Surely if you were able to time travel your best option would be either to affect Hitler's upbringing so that he didn't end up like he did, or to school someone else to get ahead of Hitler and lead the Nazi party in a different direction.

Killing the baby Hitler would be far too random. A bit like killing Saddam Hussain or Osama Bin Laden without a plan for the after-effects. You never know, whatever comes instead could be even worse. V3s carrying nuclear heads anyone?

As long as you could hear them coming, you'd be ok.... just like the V2's

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag Wisbech, England 29 Jan 19 7.27pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

No, what I am saying is that, what has happened in the past has happened. It can be denied or just ignored, or it can be learnt from so that it is not repeated.

There are those that are fighting in various courts, just to get what happened to them recoqnised.


With respect I don't feel like I've been answered here.

If....As you now appear to be saying...that the sins of grandfathers isn't to be visited upon their grandchildren (though it was you who referred to 'guilt and shame') then quite frankly I don't need the lesson.

I don't need to be taught that murdering people who aren't trying to murder me is a very bad idea and morally wrong.

Is this message being pushed in other locations to other people? Because I don't think it is.

As for what's happening in courts....please expand.

However, I will say that I do believe in genetic inheritance because that is self evident.

Edited by Stirlingsays (29 Jan 2019 8.07pm)

 

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