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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag Chelsea 25 Sep 19 7.01am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

My point is that if people very consistently win for years without any artificial enhancement, it's on account that there is something naturally exceptionally unusual/freakish about them. There are plenty of people across many sport that tick those boxes. The Michael Johnsons of this world, the Michael Phelps. If we could isolate and snuff out whatever biological blip makes them who they are, they would be pretty run of the mill.

Stopping M2F trans athletes from competing against women makes perfect sense because they have artificially enhanced performance, whereas Semenya hasn't. Though I appreciate your point that her unique biology clearly conveys a significant advantage, so I can see why they have ruled that Semenya can compete but with a testosterone limit that has to be adhered to. With that in place, logically her performance will suffer or she will retire, so it's a solution of sorts.


Edited by dollardays (25 Sep 2019 5.04am)

What about a tranni who was a woman but is now a bloke. Can they compete and v men or v women.? It would be very non PC not to let them compete at all.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 25 Sep 19 9.04am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Golf could be no sex now.

Its hardly a hotbed of eroticism now.

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 25 Sep 19 9.14am Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

What about a tranni who was a woman but is now a bloke. Can they compete and v men or v women.? It would be very non PC not to let them compete at all.

Logically a female to male likely wouldn't be able to compete at the top level to begin with, as that transition wouldn't convey any physical advantage over biological men.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Sep 19 10.05am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Essentially this can all be summarised as the left fecking things up as usual....put them in charge of anything and this is what you get.

If there is a status quo they want to deconstruct it and topple it.....regardless of the mess they make.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Sep 2019 10.06am)

 

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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 25 Sep 19 11.03am Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Its all a load of cock and ball* (or not) if you ask me.
I'll get me coat.

 

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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 25 Sep 19 4.30pm Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Im a leftie so I know where I should stand on this, buuuut...
I think sport should have mens division/teams, womens teams and trans teams. If they are neither scientifically men or women they should have their own category. The issue really is the lack of numbers to make that happen.

It would solve a lot more problems than it creates. The problem is that sociology, science and politics all clash over the issue. Create a third...erm...gender I suppose...and have them compete with other trans people. I don't think many could truly object to that.
I don't know, ultimately none of us as far as I know are trans, and I don't think any of us are qualified to discuss it unless we find out what trans people think of it.

 

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View Beanyboysmd's Profile Beanyboysmd Flag 25 Sep 19 4.33pm Send a Private Message to Beanyboysmd Add Beanyboysmd as a friend

Originally posted by dollardays

Logically a female to male likely wouldn't be able to compete at the top level to begin with, as that transition wouldn't convey any physical advantage over biological men.


Would be a born woman who has spent a lot of their life artificially pumped full of testosterone. I think that has physical effects on a person so Im not 100% sure if that's right

 

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Originally posted by Beanyboysmd

Im a leftie so I know where I should stand on this, buuuut...
I think sport should have mens division/teams, womens teams and trans teams. If they are neither scientifically men or women they should have their own category. The issue really is the lack of numbers to make that happen.

It would solve a lot more problems than it creates. The problem is that sociology, science and politics all clash over the issue. Create a third...erm...gender I suppose...and have them compete with other trans people. I don't think many could truly object to that.
I don't know, ultimately none of us as far as I know are trans, and I don't think any of us are qualified to discuss it unless we find out what trans people think of it.

The 'extra' category has been thought of....but....

Aren't 'trans' about 1 percent of the population?

I don't see sports organisations paying for that.....and are you going to watch that?

The loonies can do whatever the loonies want to do....just as long as I don't have to pay for it or watch it.

 

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