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View ARGILE OLD GEEZER's Profile ARGILE OLD GEEZER Flag PORTIMAO 29 Apr 19 7.26am Send a Private Message to ARGILE OLD GEEZER Add ARGILE OLD GEEZER as a friend

Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

Reminds me of a certain Argentinian, but i think a better shot stopper, IMHO

The Argentinian i mean is better.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 29 Apr 19 8.47am Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

When have we ever had a keeper, that is commanding coming for crosses in recent memory.

Those keepers belong further up the table or wouldn't last long with us, think you'll find the last team we played took our last one.

 

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View gerry theagle's Profile gerry theagle Flag newbury 29 Apr 19 9.29am Send a Private Message to gerry theagle Add gerry theagle as a friend

Even great keepers can be prone to errors, De Gae cost Utd two points yesterday with an awful one.As I said earlier no keeper is perfect Guita is certainly good enough for us.

 

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View gerry theagle's Profile gerry theagle Flag newbury 29 Apr 19 9.32am Send a Private Message to gerry theagle Add gerry theagle as a friend

Apologies Vicente, should be Guaita.

 

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View PZ Eagle's Profile PZ Eagle Flag Penzance 29 Apr 19 9.46am Send a Private Message to PZ Eagle Add PZ Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by NickinOX

I just looked it up. Guaita has played 17.5 league games this season and conceded 16 goals. Transfermarkt credits Wayne's two goals conceded against watford to Guaita.

Taking out the half game (against Watford) which we were winning (Watford scored two after Guaita went off the pitch), we have gained 28 points with him in goal in 17 games. 1.6 ppg.

Hennessey has played 17.5 games and conceded 28 goals, mostly behind our first choice defence. We have won 15 points with Hennessey in goal in 17.5 games. .86 ppg


Edited by NickinOX (28 Apr 2019 10.51pm)

Goals conceded don't mean diddley squat when comparing goalkeepers records. For instance Arsenal, Man Utd and Watford have conceded more goals than us, Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that either of our keepers is better than De Gea or even Ben Foster come to that? Remember Sunderland's woeful record when they were relegated but they got £30 mil for their keeper.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 29 Apr 19 10.22am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Goals conceded don't mean diddley squat when comparing goalkeepers records. For instance Arsenal, Man Utd and Watford have conceded more goals than us, Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that either of our keepers is better than De Gea or even Ben Foster come to that? Remember Sunderland's woeful record when they were relegated but they got £30 mil for their keeper.

But VG is better than WH though
Got to admit that PZ
The defence panic at times generally but with wayne it seemed a lot more than with VG.
Think we got a goodun and hopefully he can get better with crosses.
Dean k will train with him in the close season as didnt get that chance for a full one before.
He does go low some times but a majority of shots are below head height so there must be a logic to it.

 

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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 29 Apr 19 11.30am Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Goals conceded don't mean diddley squat when comparing goalkeepers records. For instance Arsenal, Man Utd and Watford have conceded more goals than us, Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that either of our keepers is better than De Gea or even Ben Foster come to that? Remember Sunderland's woeful record when they were relegated but they got £30 mil for their keeper.

Exactly this. You can't compare based purely on stats as the opposition are different, shots are of differing quality. Also, when WH was in goal we had Ayew up front with Sorloth as backup. Now we have Bats and Benteke so of course we are winning more. Nor can people keep saying that the defence trust VG more - there is absiolutely no proof of that. Indeed, PVA's loss of form has coincided with VG being in goal so is that his fault? I've seen Luka have a go at VG several times during games for his poor distribution.

Earlier in the season when we lost to Wolves, WH was vilified on here for letting in a drive at his near post - VG has let 3 in like that in recent games when he has gone down on his knees - a definite technical flaw in his game. I'm not saying that WH is much better - he has let in a few this season that should have been stopped (Burnely and Watford spring to mind) but VG is no better - in my opinion.

 

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Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Goals conceded don't mean diddley squat when comparing goalkeepers records. For instance Arsenal, Man Utd and Watford have conceded more goals than us, Are you or anyone else seriously suggesting that either of our keepers is better than De Gea or even Ben Foster come to that? Remember Sunderland's woeful record when they were relegated but they got £30 mil for their keeper.


Where did I claim either was better than Pickford or de Gea? Stop deflecting. Had De Gea, Pickford, etc., played for the same team in the same season and behind the same defence, then that would be a fair basis for comparison, however good or bad that defence was. If Pickford and De Gea each played 17.5 games for Palace this season it would be reasonable to compare their record. That would be common sense, especially if one took into account the fact that one of them had a first choice defence and the other didnít.

I compared two keepers playing the same number of league games this season for the same club. One had a first choice defence in front of him most of the time, the other did not. That is a reasonable basis for comparison and the differences are striking.

 


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Originally posted by cpj

Exactly this. You can't compare based purely on stats as the opposition are different, shots are of differing quality. Also, when WH was in goal we had Ayew up front with Sorloth as backup. Now we have Bats and Benteke so of course we are winning more. Nor can people keep saying that the defence trust VG more - there is absiolutely no proof of that. Indeed, PVA's loss of form has coincided with VG being in goal so is that his fault? I've seen Luka have a go at VG several times during games for his poor distribution.

Earlier in the season when we lost to Wolves, WH was vilified on here for letting in a drive at his near post - VG has let 3 in like that in recent games when he has gone down on his knees - a definite technical flaw in his game. I'm not saying that WH is much better - he has let in a few this season that should have been stopped (Burnely and Watford spring to mind) but VG is no better - in my opinion.

This isn't PVA's first loss of form, and I suspect the most recent slump is down to not having Sakho alongside him.

I've seen Luka having a go at him, but there have been plenty of times when VG has got absolutely no options. If we're going to play it out from the back we have to have much more movement from the midfield to make that happen.

I think there are areas where WH was better, but overall VG is a much better keeper and we look more solid with him there. He's not perfect, but then as has been pointed out if he was perfect we wouldn't have got him on a free transfer.

 


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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 04 May 19 9.12pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

A few decent saves today. Made a big difference since heís come in IMO.

 

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Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

A few decent saves today. Made a big difference since heís come in IMO.

He did make some decent saves. We won't mention the one awful bit of distribution in the 2nd half that with many other sides could have gifted a goal.

 


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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 04 May 19 9.36pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by YT

He did make some decent saves. We won't mention the one awful bit of distribution in the 2nd half that with many other sides could have gifted a goal.

One mis placed pass but no immediate danger to the goal. Have a day off.

 

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