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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Online Flag Croydon 31 Jul 20 7.17pm Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by djcpfc

He only agreed to fight him after he had been retired for 2 years, and at light heavy. He avoided him like the plague in the mid-90’s when all he had to lose was an IBF title.

I stand by my previous statements. Good fighter, great fights with other good fighters. I think it could be said many fighters avoided fights. You don’t end up with great records otherwise, Calzaghe included. RJ he played it well, was up there, but hung around too long. These latest moves are non-sense.


I took the post to mean hat Joe avoided Collins, which he didn’t. I think though you may mean that Jones avoided Collins.

With respect, Jones fought far better fighters than Steve Collins and the thought that Jones avoided him is laughable mate.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 31 Jul 20 7.59pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle


In my opinion Joe C is possibly the best fighter this country has ever produced, however a prime Roy beats a prime Joe every time.

Jones did things in the ring I have never seen done by another boxer.

Jones would have to have been 200% better than he was when they fought. Jones never fought anyone who could throw a many punches for 12 rounds as Calzaghe.
It's easier to look great against average fighters.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 31 Jul 20 8.40pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

When you have older successful fighters at the end of their careers with Calzaghe and Collins being examples you often find that they want to avoid the hungry up and coming prospects.

What they want are the big pay days and that means big established names......as they are fighters also at the back end of their careers these are often easier and well paid fights compared to the up and coming killers who come with a lot of ambition but little money.

So I can understand why Collins avoided Calzaghe and Calzaghe in turn avoided Froch.

For fans, it's all about the best and exciting fights.....but for most fighters it's about the most money for the least risk.

 

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Online Flag Croydon 31 Jul 20 8.46pm Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Jones would have to have been 200% better than he was when they fought. Jones never fought anyone who could throw a many punches for 12 rounds as Calzaghe.
It's easier to look great against average fighters.

And Calzaghe never fought anyone like a prime Jones.

Joe was brilliant but most of his 20 odd defences were against B and C level fighters.

Jones fought everyone and could do things in a ring never seen before. There are two Roy Jones, the one up to the Tarver loss and then the shot one after. Lived Joe but it’s hard to see how he would win. Remember he narrowly beat an ancient BHop and only one on a split against Robin Read.

 


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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 31 Jul 20 9.25pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

I'd have to go back through the records and to be honest I can't be bothered. It's an opinion that some experts share never the less I bow to your greater knowledge.

Oh dear

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 31 Jul 20 10.33pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by palace_in_frogland

There’s a good Tyson compilation on YouTube which is worth watching to remember him at his peak.
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The commentary’s a bit annoying.

Cheers pal. The man was a class above. I'd prefer to remember his hay day than watch him now.

 

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View Eaglehamster's Profile Eaglehamster Flag Storrington 01 Aug 20 3.41pm Send a Private Message to Eaglehamster Add Eaglehamster as a friend

It's fun to speculate the "what ifs" in boxing. How would RJ cope with Marvin Hagler at his peak?

Back to Joe C:

I initially thought Joe C lacked the killer punch to be a great.

It was when he fought a highly thought of and hard hitting Jeff Lacy that I changed my mind. It was a masterclass.

Joe simply didn't need a haymaker. His punching was so accurate Lacy was beaten after 3 rounds.

 


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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 01 Aug 20 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglehamster

It's fun to speculate the "what ifs" in boxing. How would RJ cope with Marvin Hagler at his peak?

Back to Joe C:

I initially thought Joe C lacked the killer punch to be a great.

It was when he fought a highly thought of and hard hitting Jeff Lacy that I changed my mind. It was a masterclass.

Joe simply didn't need a haymaker. His punching was so accurate Lacy was beaten after 3 rounds.

If boxers want to be proper ‘box office’ I think they need to have knock out power.
Agree that the Lacey fight was a masterclass, but years later people usually remember the punchers and their knockouts.
I think of Manny in his prime knocking Hatton out cold or Naz/Haye stalking fighters then ‘bang’.

Mayweather is an artist with the way that he fights, but happily never watch another of his defensive performances again, give me a GGG or Lomachenko any day.

It’s like a golfer that hits it 100 yards straight everytime, you score well, but would love to be able to drive it 300 yards.

 

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View Tom-the-eagle's Profile Tom-the-eagle Online Flag Croydon 02 Aug 20 10.50am Send a Private Message to Tom-the-eagle Add Tom-the-eagle as a friend

For anyone who missed it last night, Cheesman v Eggington was a classic. Pure brutality.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 03 Aug 20 1.32pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

And Calzaghe never fought anyone like a prime Jones.

Joe was brilliant but most of his 20 odd defences were against B and C level fighters.

Jones fought everyone and could do things in a ring never seen before. There are two Roy Jones, the one up to the Tarver loss and then the shot one after. Lived Joe but it’s hard to see how he would win. Remember he narrowly beat an ancient BHop and only one on a split against Robin Read.

We will never know. Having seen what Calzaghe did to Jones when they did fight, I have my money on Calzaghe.
Jones would have to knock him out to win because there is no way he is out boxing or out punching him.

 

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