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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 04 Apr 19 10.34am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Why is Hodgson better than Pardew, both never won anything worth winning, both been sacked regularly, Pardew gung ho, Hodgson ultra defensive,
Pardew Pl 87-w35-d13-l39 40.2%.
Hodgson Pl 76-w27-d17-l32 35.5%.
Hodgson with better players, who is better?

 

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View KAOS's Profile KAOS Flag India 04 Apr 19 11.24am Send a Private Message to KAOS Add KAOS as a friend

Some very interesting stats TBF!

Bet Roy's a better dancer tho ...

 

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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 04 Apr 19 12.11pm Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

Pardew's first year in charge was excellent, but eventually showed that he had no idea how to organise a team. We were an absolute shambles towards the end, especially defensively.

Hodgson has the opposite problem - overly rigid, inflexible, and cautious. Still, given a choice between the two, Hodgson will get you just enough to stay up whereas with Pardew it's a complete gamble.

 

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View JohnB's Profile JohnB Flag 04 Apr 19 12.22pm Send a Private Message to JohnB Add JohnB as a friend

Erm we do remember 2016 where we were officially the worst team of all 92 clubs in terms of points per game. right?

Hodgson teams might be a bit dull to watch but we are consistent and given the miracle he pulled off last season after FDB, he deserves more respect.

He's not exactly been backed in the market since he came here compared to most of our other managers. He's had a couple of decent loan players and a few signings.

Allardyce, Pards even Pulis were backed far heavier than he has been.

The one I would have loved to have seen stay as I think he would have really stabilised us was Allardyce. I think he knew he wouldn't be backed and walked out on a high.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 04 Apr 19 12.46pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

The manager is always secondary to the players in terms of performance.
The fact is that we have not spent enough money in the last two windows and we have gone backward. Our squad is flimsy as shown when we lose Sakho.

It always puzzles me why fans always blame the manager when the truth is so easy to see.

Hodgson does tend to play the negative game against the top teams but that is realism I suppose. He knows that our best chance to get something from those games is to play it tight and hope for a lucky break. When that fails, it looks awful like against Spurs and Chelsea but when it works like against City, it looks like a masterstroke.

 

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View Shifty97's Profile Shifty97 Flag Croydon 04 Apr 19 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Shifty97 Add Shifty97 as a friend

I can’t really see us being involved for too long in a relegation scrap with Roy, I could with Pardew

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 04 Apr 19 1.06pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by JohnB

Erm we do remember 2016 where we were officially the worst team of all 92 clubs in terms of points per game. right?

Hodgson teams might be a bit dull to watch but we are consistent and given the miracle he pulled off last season after FDB, he deserves more respect.

He's not exactly been backed in the market since he came here compared to most of our other managers. He's had a couple of decent loan players and a few signings.

Allardyce, Pards even Pulis were backed far heavier than he has been.

The one I would have loved to have seen stay as I think he would have really stabilised us was Allardyce. I think he knew he wouldn't be backed and walked out on a high.

Hodgson’s football is very dull but the lack of backing is true. In fact it’s even worse to the point of no strikers etc and signing players for business decisions or hopes who he probably doesn’t want or was asked about. This is a concern if we ended his contract without a quality planned replacement.

Last season he was blessed with RLC and it hid some of Roy’s limitations even though the results were very good before RLC became a regular. A bit of new manager effect and getting 100% out of 11 players every single minute of every game as well.

 


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View jeeagles's Profile jeeagles Flag 04 Apr 19 1.16pm Send a Private Message to jeeagles Add jeeagles as a friend

Pardew had a harder job than Roy in his first season in that he took over later and had worse player.

In his second season we were safe by Christmas then he focused on the cup.

In his 3rd season, he ran out of ideas, as all these average managers do. BFS got a huge transfer kitty to replace him.

In his last few games we were going gung-ho partly because we had no defense. The players were still showing effort and commitment and at least there were goals and excitement.

Fans at Newcastle hated him because he was part of the "Cockney mafia". I spoken to some staff at Newcastle and they all really liked him and said he was an excellent people manager, shame about the tactics.

Roy isn't even going for it. Fans and Players alike look fed up.

 

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View RickEveleigh's Profile RickEveleigh Flag Little Kimble, nr Aylesbury 04 Apr 19 1.16pm Send a Private Message to RickEveleigh Add RickEveleigh as a friend

Spending more money isn't always the answer: look at Fulham.

Yes we haven't kicked on but both times we tried it (Pardew 2nd season, then FDB) it didn't go well.

Be careful what you wish for cf. Charlton.

Since we came up all these teams have gone down:
Burnley
Cardiff
Fulham
Hull (twice)
Middlesbrough
Newcastle
Norwich (twice)
QPR
Stoke
Sunderland (double relegation)
Swansea
Villa
WBA

Southampton came 8th in 13/14, 7th in 14/15, 6th in 15/16, 8th in 16/17 and then nearly went down twice. Wet Spam keep struggling. Everton can't kick on. Chelsea came 10th in 15/16!

While of course I want us to improve I'd rather we're like we are than being in the Championship or worse: Leeds & Forest have both been in League 1 and neither have come up in the last 6 seasons.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 04 Apr 19 1.42pm Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Originally posted by RickEveleigh

Spending more money isn't always the answer: look at Fulham.

Yes we haven't kicked on but both times we tried it (Pardew 2nd season, then FDB) it didn't go well.

Be careful what you wish for cf. Charlton.

Since we came up all these teams have gone down:
Burnley
Cardiff
Fulham
Hull (twice)
Middlesbrough
Newcastle
Norwich (twice)
QPR
Stoke
Sunderland (double relegation)
Swansea
Villa
WBA

Southampton came 8th in 13/14, 7th in 14/15, 6th in 15/16, 8th in 16/17 and then nearly went down twice. Wet Spam keep struggling. Everton can't kick on. Chelsea came 10th in 15/16!

While of course I want us to improve I'd rather we're like we are than being in the Championship or worse: Leeds & Forest have both been in League 1 and neither have come up in the last 6 seasons.

What you say has a lot of truth, but, I do feel that we can't go on as we are as we will be joining those relegated teams that you have listed. We have a place in the Premier League and, within reason, should do all we can to preserve that place.

The club has to try to find some way to progress - that may entail a new manager, new coaching staff, different tactics or some clever spending in the transfer market, but I fear that if we carry on going back to square one each year, and not building on the previous season, our luck will eventually run out.

Of course there are risks involved with change as we
found out with De Boer, but there are also risks involved with just playing safe as you end up standing still and being overtaken by other teams.

 

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View Tipp_Eagle's Profile Tipp_Eagle Flag Tipperary 04 Apr 19 8.33pm Send a Private Message to Tipp_Eagle Add Tipp_Eagle as a friend

Any stats on big sam or tony pulis ?

 


oh yeah ,fcuk off brighton.

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View Lanzo-Ad's Profile Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 04 Apr 19 9.37pm Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Pulis Pl28-w12-d5-l11 42.86%
Sam Pl24-w9-d3-l12 37.5%

 

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