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View silvertop's Profile silvertop Flag bristol 09 Jun 19 8.52am Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by JohnB

I thought we played some of our best football under Allardyce. We played Arsenal off the park in a 3-0 win, beat Liverpool 2-1 at Anfield, beat Chelsea 2-1.

He spent a fair bit of money but I think the majority of his signings have been a success and still doing it for us today.

He was the best manager for getting the best out of Benteke. I'd have him back in a heartbeat if he was committed to staying at the club for a more longterm project.

I also think his repuatation of defensive hoofball is unfair when you think back to teams like his Bolton team of JayJay, Campo, Djorkaeff etc. where they played some great football at times.

Ha didn't spend a red cent. Those players were bought by the club.

Agree your point re benteke.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 09 Jun 19 11.01am Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

we saw with both Pulis and Sam that their perceived image is way off the reality, both have used direct football when it was the most workable option but their decisions re tactics and personnel with us showed their astuteness and sophistication as coaches - Everton fans were grossly unfair to Sam, was at Goodison when his Everton played us off the park last season (we had RLC and Wilf missing tbf), Freedman was off the mark when he described West Ham's football as 'long ball' when Sam was in charge there - Sam got the funds to keep us up, the fact that he knew there wouldn't be much more money coming was no doubt a big part of his decision to leave regardless of his relationship with Parrish, if he were still here I think we'd be in roughly the same place, maybe a place or two higher but it's irrelevant to speculate because we would have quite a different squad, I don't think Jimmy Mac would still be here for example.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 09 Jun 19 2.18pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

we saw with both Pulis and Sam that their perceived image is way off the reality, both have used direct football when it was the most workable option but their decisions re tactics and personnel with us showed their astuteness and sophistication as coaches - Everton fans were grossly unfair to Sam, was at Goodison when his Everton played us off the park last season (we had RLC and Wilf missing tbf), Freedman was off the mark when he described West Ham's football as 'long ball' when Sam was in charge there - Sam got the funds to keep us up, the fact that he knew there wouldn't be much more money coming was no doubt a big part of his decision to leave regardless of his relationship with Parrish, if he were still here I think we'd be in roughly the same place, maybe a place or two higher but it's irrelevant to speculate because we would have quite a different squad, I don't think Jimmy Mac would still be here for example.

Great post. The job Pulis did for us is underrated in the football world. He performed a miracle. It was a shame he got all c***y afterwards, but fair play to Parish for sorting it out and getting the money back. Big Sam did play backs to the wall, long ball football at times, but he also played some of the best football I've seen from us. He made tactical subs, maximised what was available and set the team up to suit the opposition. All things Hodgson could take note of.

 

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View Sansbup's Profile Sansbup Flag Normandy 09 Jun 19 4.11pm Send a Private Message to Sansbup Add Sansbup as a friend

When Roy decides to retire I'd be entirely happy if Sam wanted to come back. Unlike Pulis, who although he did a remarkable job he did leave under an unforgivable cloud...


Edited by Sansbup (09 Jun 2019 4.15pm)

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 09 Jun 19 4.35pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Sansbup

When Roy decides to retire I'd be entirely happy if Sam wanted to come back. Unlike Pulis, who although he did a remarkable job he did leave under an unforgivable cloud...


Edited by Sansbup (09 Jun 2019 4.15pm)

Allardyce, Bruce and Dowie are all exactly the same as Pulis. Two bob chancers who took the piss out of us as a club and thought the grass was greener elsewhere and lied to get out of their contracts. I don't care how good a manager any of them are, even if we were in dire straits nearing relegation, Palace would lose any credibility it has, if any of them were considered by the club.
It may be an old fashioned view, but morally devoid individuals don't warrant a second chance.

 

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View Brinscall Eagle's Profile Brinscall Eagle Flag Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 09 Jun 19 5.02pm Send a Private Message to Brinscall Eagle Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Brinscall Eagle as a friend

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Originally posted by Painter

Allardyce, Bruce and Dowie are all exactly the same as Pulis. Two bob chancers who took the piss out of us as a club and thought the grass was greener elsewhere and lied to get out of their contracts. I don't care how good a manager any of them are, even if we were in dire straits nearing relegation, Palace would lose any credibility it has, if any of them were considered by the club.
It may be an old fashioned view, but morally devoid individuals don't warrant a second chance.

Agreed

 

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View gloryhunter's Profile gloryhunter Flag EDINBURGH 09 Jun 19 5.10pm Send a Private Message to gloryhunter Add gloryhunter as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Allardyce, Bruce and Dowie are all exactly the same as Pulis. Two bob chancers who took the piss out of us as a club and thought the grass was greener elsewhere and lied to get out of their contracts. I don't care how good a manager any of them are, even if we were in dire straits nearing relegation, Palace would lose any credibility it has, if any of them were considered by the club.
It may be an old fashioned view, but morally devoid individuals don't warrant a second chance.

My initial kneejerk reaction to your post was to jump all over it. I took a deep breath, gave it some thought and read it again and have to say I agree with your take on this topic.

Edited by gloryhunter (09 Jun 2019 5.10pm)

 


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View efernandez060604's Profile efernandez060604 Flag London 09 Jun 19 8.07pm Send a Private Message to efernandez060604 Add efernandez060604 as a friend

Originally posted by Sansbup

When Roy decides to retire I'd be entirely happy if Sam wanted to come back. Unlike Pulis, who although he did a remarkable job he did leave under an unforgivable cloud...


Edited by Sansbup (09 Jun 2019 4.15pm)

Yh f***ing mug trying to stiff us.

 

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View ChrisGC's Profile ChrisGC Flag Wantage 09 Jun 19 8.45pm Send a Private Message to ChrisGC Add ChrisGC as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Allardyce, Bruce and Dowie are all exactly the same as Pulis. Two bob chancers who took the piss out of us as a club and thought the grass was greener elsewhere and lied to get out of their contracts. I don't care how good a manager any of them are, even if we were in dire straits nearing relegation, Palace would lose any credibility it has, if any of them were considered by the club.
It may be an old fashioned view, but morally devoid individuals don't warrant a second chance.


Correct, well said.

Edit: other than Allardyce. I think he would have stayed if him and Parish were on the same hymn sheet. Not that I'm criticising Parish. If Big Sam couldn't operated within his framework then that's fair dos.

Edited by ChrisGC (10 Jun 2019 3.53pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 10 Jun 19 9.25am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Allardyce, Bruce and Dowie are all exactly the same as Pulis. Two bob chancers who took the piss out of us as a club and thought the grass was greener elsewhere and lied to get out of their contracts. I don't care how good a manager any of them are, even if we were in dire straits nearing relegation, Palace would lose any credibility it has, if any of them were considered by the club.
It may be an old fashioned view, but morally devoid individuals don't warrant a second chance.

I donít think Allardyce took the p1ss out of us. He wanted to get out of his contract because he didnít want to cover for Parishís previous mistakes in the transfer market which have effectively hamstrung is since. Just look at how little weíve spent on transfers since and will do until we sell one of our prized assets. We took Sakho on which was big but he was in the team on loan before the perm signing, and Kouyate. Nothing else of note on the field.

FWIW I do think the £45 mil we spent was necessary. If we bought a left back 6 months before then we may not have bought pva and schlupp and conserved £10 mil and £40k of part of one their £60k wages by waiting and/or scouting more thoroughly instead of at high cost out of the Panini album again.

Most of our successful managers are required to paper over our poor scouting, transfer policy and inflated wage bill, which is why I accept the current football while I try to keep my eyes open and to not start snoring.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Jun 2019 9.27am)

 


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View Bangell's Profile Bangell Flag Oxford 10 Jun 19 10.49am Send a Private Message to Bangell Add Bangell as a friend

I wanted him to stay, thought he suited the club very well and was looking forward to a few years of stability. Roy's given us that now though.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 10 Jun 19 11.03am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman


I donít think Allardyce took the p1ss out of us. He wanted to get out of his contract because he didnít want to cover for Parishís previous mistakes in the transfer market which have effectively hamstrung is since.

I'm not sure whether you are correct or not but there was definitely something going on that we don't know about. Sam hinted that his relationship with Parish wasn't all rosy but wouldn't expand on it.

Yet another case where we will have to wait for the autobiography to come out

 

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