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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 15 Jun 19 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Please provide evidence to support the suggestion that allardyce has anything to do with those players.

Due diligence and informal discussions take months answer I bet they predated fatty

Well pva definitely involved sam. What do you think sam had written in this ‘document’ in what it would take he sent to the club then?

I thought Luka was a sam target but it sounded like he wasn’t. Sakho I think came as a surprise, possibly by Parish, which again proves how serious Parish knew things were.

This whole thing of sam being the devil incarnate is so ridiculous I can imagine many giving him grief in a holiday resort and then sh1tting it in their hotel room or avoiding him after he goes ‘boo’ and makes you freeze in fear.

He did the job he presented, left us with good players rather than garbage but wasn’t interested in working miracles or these cycles of over and underspending with little in the way of scouting or expertise at the training ground. Look at what happened with FDB. Shambles.

 


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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Online Flag 16 Jun 19 10.02am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop


Please provide evidence to support the suggestion that allardyce has anything to do with those players.

Don't be ridiculous. Do you think this is a court of law?

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Online Flag 16 Jun 19 10.10am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop


Please provide evidence to support the suggestion that allardyce has anything to do with those players.

BBC website 30/01/2017

Crystal Palace have signed Sunderland defender Patrick van Aanholt for a transfer fee that could rise to £14m

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Allardyce added: "You like to bring players you've worked with before and hopefully his impact is instant.

You can research the others yourself as I'm not your research assistant

 

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View braunstoneagle's Profile braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 16 Jun 19 10.39am Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

if i remember correctly we went almost 4 games without a shot in target under [ defamatory comment removed by moderator ].

in response to the original question...we would have almost certainly wasted a lot of money on tosun.

Edited by Midlands Eagle (16 Jun 2019 10.57am)

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Jun 19 11.37am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

if i remember correctly we went almost 4 games without a shot in target under [ defamatory comment removed by moderator ].

in response to the original question...we would have almost certainly wasted a lot of money on tosun.

Edited by Midlands Eagle (16 Jun 2019 10.57am)

I think you need to rethink your accusations.

We (Parish?) tried to sign Tosun in the summer of 2017 under FDB with a week left of the window for £12 mil.

Sam signed him at Everton for £27 mil about 5 months later in January 2018.

We tried to loan or buy him off Everton but they wanted £20 mil.

Everton are likely to be charged more and going by his performances in the champions league after we gave his club no time to find a replacement it’s hardly surprising his price rose.

The same fault keeps cropping up here. (No left back cover 5 months before sam, no professional attempt for a striker 5 months after sam) Not getting the deal done when it was needed, and therefore you can see why sam left before this kind of thing was going to happen again.

There is no proof he wouldn’t have succeeded in a team including Luka, cabaye and RLC with Zaha and Townsend. He looked better with games stretched, which is how we’ve succeeded on the counter attack. He wouldn’t have been thrown in either until Benteke got injured at Man City and sam probably looked and expected it to happen.

Roy has done really well under pressure. It’s just when more is possible under much less pressure he stays cautious. Sam could probably foresee this stuff. No issue from me.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (16 Jun 2019 11.42am)

 


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Originally posted by braunstoneagle

if i remember correctly we went almost 4 games without a shot in target under [ defamatory comment removed by moderator ].

in response to the original question...we would have almost certainly wasted a lot of money on tosun.

Edited by Midlands Eagle (16 Jun 2019 10.57am)


You seem to have forgotten the old sayings ‘start from the back’ and ‘respect the point’ that Pardew ignored and preferred his gung ho 5-4 losses after being ahead, twice was it?

 


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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I think you need to rethink your accusations.

We (Parish?) tried to sign Tosun in the summer of 2017 under FDB with a week left of the window for £12 mil.

Sam signed him at Everton for £27 mil about 5 months later in January 2018.

We tried to loan or buy him off Everton but they wanted £20 mil.

Everton are likely to be charged more and going by his performances in the champions league after we gave his club no time to find a replacement it’s hardly surprising his price rose.

The same fault keeps cropping up here. (No left back cover 5 months before sam, no professional attempt for a striker 5 months after sam) Not getting the deal done when it was needed, and therefore you can see why sam left before this kind of thing was going to happen again.

There is no proof he wouldn’t have succeeded in a team including Luka, cabaye and RLC with Zaha and Townsend. He looked better with games stretched, which is how we’ve succeeded on the counter attack. He wouldn’t have been thrown in either until Benteke got injured at Man City and sam probably looked and expected it to happen.

Roy has done really well under pressure. It’s just when more is possible under much less pressure he stays cautious. Sam could probably foresee this stuff. No issue from me.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (16 Jun 2019 11.42am)

spin it however you like, he fooked off after a few months after spending a small fortune, because he knew he wouldn't have the same thrown at him again in the summer.

in truth we actually dodged a bullet him him packing his bags.

and your memory seems a bit hazy...you seem to forget that pape souare was a very good full back for us before his freak injury.

 


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ChrisGC Flag Wantage 16 Jun 19 1.34pm

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

spin it however you like, he fooked off after a few months after spending a small fortune, because he knew he wouldn't have the same thrown at him again in the summer.

in truth we actually dodged a bullet him him packing his bags.

and your memory seems a bit hazy...you seem to forget that pape souare was a very good full back for us before his freak injury.

Souare was bang average imo. Did a job.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Jun 19 11.58pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

spin it however you like, he fooked off after a few months after spending a small fortune, because he knew he wouldn't have the same thrown at him again in the summer.

in truth we actually dodged a bullet him him packing his bags.

and your memory seems a bit hazy...you seem to forget that pape souare was a very good full back for us before his freak injury.

My memory isn’t hazy. We went into the season with 6 defenders in including one full back - Souare. Criminal. We also had the excuse called Zeki Fryers added to that grand total of 6. That is shambolic.

The car crash is not an excuse. He could’ve broken his leg on the pitch. You don’t go into the season with one player in a specialised position like left back plus Zeki Fryers.

Allardyce left and what did we do? Started the next season with one forward after offering besiktas the minimum for Tosun without enough time to find a replacement. I forget when niasse had a similar late approach and failed for different reasons but proves why Allardyce didn’t want or need it. We’re lucky a local boy wants it maybe. Otherwise maybe nobody respectable then and now would. I just wish it wasn’t so dull.

 


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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 17 Jun 19 8.47am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

My memory isn’t hazy. We went into the season with 6 defenders in including one full back - Souare. Criminal. We also had the excuse called Zeki Fryers added to that grand total of 6. That is shambolic.

The car crash is not an excuse. He could’ve broken his leg on the pitch. You don’t go into the season with one player in a specialised position like left back plus Zeki Fryers.

Allardyce left and what did we do? Started the next season with one forward after offering besiktas the minimum for Tosun without enough time to find a replacement. I forget when niasse had a similar late approach and failed for different reasons but proves why Allardyce didn’t want or need it. We’re lucky a local boy wants it maybe. Otherwise maybe nobody respectable then and now would. I just wish it wasn’t so dull.

Whatever way you wish to look at it, Allardyce is a cheque book manager with limited ability. Perhaps you are correct and he didn’t want his limitations exposed. Roy seems to have coped very well without buying, showing a good manager that can work with the players he has.

 

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Originally posted by Painter

If he didn't lie about why he was leaving, then Everton wouldn't have paid us compensation as he was under contract to us. The budget has been minuscule as he overspent the budget. Roy has done a far better job, with hardly any money.
Why do you assume my name signifies my employment, I don't assume your a washed up ex footballer? He was your favourite player for some bizarre reason.


There wasn't a contract as such, the fee was a clause that Palace made that if he took another job within a certain time frame ( two years i think) then compensation would be paid.

 

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Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER


There wasn't a contract as such, the fee was a clause that Palace made that if he took another job within a certain time frame ( two years i think) then compensation would be paid.

You think Everton paid without Allardyce being under a contract, where would this clause be?

 

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