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View Bexley Eagle's Profile Bexley Eagle Flag Bexley Kent 29 Jan 20 10.36am Send a Private Message to Bexley Eagle Add Bexley Eagle as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Ambition of SP and Board always been survival...' by Midlands Eagle

I do not disagree, however it would be nice to see visible improvements to our infrastructure - the ground, training ground, academy etc. At some point we will get relegated, so it would be nice to have something tangible to show for it.

 

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Just keep going with the ageing squad of players until it catches up with us. Get relegated, new manager, start again with the kids we are buying and flush out the Americans when all the value has gone. The strategy is set, full ahead!

 

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This post has been merged from a topic called 'Ambition of SP and Board always been survival...' by Midlands Eagle

Again , I agree 100%. ( my HOL signature refers )

There seems to be a disconnect between the shiny aspirations of those at the top and the reality of Selhurst.

As far as I recall the only infrastructure changes made were to facilitate Sky broadcasting needs.

Carrow Road is very much better and surely Norwich haven't got a a significantly better financial position than us over the past few years

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

I do not disagree, however it would be nice to see visible improvements to our infrastructure - the ground, training ground, academy etc. At some point we will get relegated, so it would be nice to have something tangible to show for it.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 29 Jan 20 10.48am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Ambition of SP and Board always been survival...' by Midlands Eagle

If Zaha is staying until the end of the season that's a great development.

The time to worry about replacements is with Zaha, first....Zaha, second and Zaha third.

The ageing squad is responsible for a mid table position in our most successful era ever.

Value for money is rarely secured during mid season transfers.

 


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View Painter's Profile Painter Online Flag Croydon 29 Jan 20 11.26am Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Roy is not the problem, Parish/Freedman are the problems and until they are replaced, things will be just the same if Roy is there or not, clearly no proven PL Manager will want to be involved with a club that does not invest in the team, SP/DF have failed repeatedly to get signings over the line, there has to be something seriously wrong with these two as they seem to make the club toxic to new players, they only expertise they have is in last minute low key loan deals, they have no succession planning, we have an aging squad and frankly we are in serious trouble with no guarantee that we are safe even for this season. If we do get relegated it will be a seriously financial blow to the club and in the end only one person is responsible and that is Parish!

You don’t seem to think the Americans have any say in the running of the club and sanction any spending. Freeman has a good success rate in purchases, he has been involved in, it’s always a risk. If Parish isn’t given any funds by the Americans, who run their businesses prudently, he hasn’t a choice.
You allude to the club being toxic, which is only because they aren’t buying everything that moves, Goldberg tried that blew his money and nearly got the club closed down.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 29 Jan 20 11.39am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Ambition of SP and Board always been survival...' by Midlands Eagle

If Zaha is staying until the end of the season that's a great development.

The time to worry about replacements is with Zaha, first....Zaha, second and Zaha third.

The ageing squad is responsible for a mid table position in our most successful era ever.

Value for money is rarely secured during mid season transfers.

I quote Gribbo.

‘Just keep going with the ageing squad of players until it catches up with us. Get relegated, new manager, start again with the kids we are buying and flush out the Americans when all the value has gone. The strategy is set, full ahead!’

Sustainable success has always been about a balanced squad, including the age of players, or you get a batch of players not up to it all at once, and for us they’ll be regulars. We haven’t recruited outfield players outside of the panini album successfully for quite a while.

The sale of AWB saved our &rses. As you say, what pans out with Zaha is also crucial. These are the only two players that have enabled us to do what bottom half teams have to do. Make profit on a few players rather than all out losses. Oh and Bolasie. Zaha hasn’t been sold yet.

AWB came about through necessity, and Zaha is depreciating without us knowing what we’ll do or who’s going to do it. Part of that we can’t control regarding future managers but it adds to the problems we’ve created with Benteke, Sakho, other established players at signature and nearing 20% off the pace, and we are still are creating because the strategy is to operate on a near term shoestring budget while hoping we’re bought out.

The accountancy decisions run the football now, and why I won’t get surprised or agitated each window. It is what it is. A bag of sh1t with major shareholders not doing what they came in to do. Build the club including the main stand. They did finance Sam’s survival campaign but they’ve now been repaid or in the process of full repayment and yet we’re borrowing money from banks charging interest to use some of instalment money from the sale of AWB. I suppose we’ll be biting our nails with Ward out again for months at some point and Kelly in at RB while that sh1t goes on. Paying interest on loans with billionaire owners.

Don’t count on much with this lot people. You’ll feel like a fool for doing so.


Edited by Rudi Hedman (29 Jan 2020 11.44am)

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 29 Jan 20 11.58am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I quote Gribbo.

‘Just keep going with the ageing squad of players until it catches up with us. Get relegated, new manager, start again with the kids we are buying and flush out the Americans when all the value has gone. The strategy is set, full ahead!’

Sustainable success has always been about a balanced squad, including the age of players, or you get a batch of players not up to it all at once, and for us they’ll be regulars. We haven’t recruited outfield players outside of the panini album successfully for quite a while.

The sale of AWB saved our &rses. As you say, what pans out with Zaha is also crucial. These are the only two players that have enabled us to do what bottom half teams have to do. Make profit on a few players rather than all out losses. Oh and Bolasie. Zaha hasn’t been sold yet.

AWB came about through necessity, and Zaha is depreciating without us knowing what we’ll do or who’s going to do it. Part of that we can’t control regarding future managers but it adds to the problems we’ve created with Benteke, Sakho, other established players at signature and nearing 20% off the pace, and we are still are creating because the strategy is to operate on a near term shoestring budget while hoping we’re bought out.

The accountancy decisions run the football now, and why I won’t get surprised or agitated each window. It is what it is. A bag of sh1t with major shareholders not doing what they came in to do. Build the club including the main stand. They did finance Sam’s survival campaign but they’ve now been repaid or in the process of full repayment and yet we’re borrowing money from banks charging interest to use some of instalment money from the sale of AWB. I suppose we’ll be biting our nails with Ward out again for months at some point and Kelly in at RB while that sh1t goes on. Paying interest on loans with billionaire owners.

Don’t count on much with this lot people. You’ll feel like a fool for doing so.


Edited by Rudi Hedman (29 Jan 2020 11.44am)

Nice post Rudi. In reality they have invested very little in our club. The easy short term answer of course is get shot of Sakho, Benteke, Wickham, Zaha and the wage bill will plummet. The only one we will really miss is Wilf and despite what people think, he can be replaced. We just need to stop relying on one player to make things happen. Use his money to buy two wingers IMO.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 29 Jan 20 12.08pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Nice post Rudi. In reality they have invested very little in our club. The easy short term answer of course is get shot of Sakho, Benteke, Wickham, Zaha and the wage bill will plummet. The only one we will really miss is Wilf and despite what people think, he can be replaced. We just need to stop relying on one player to make things happen. Use his money to buy two wingers IMO.

Agree, we are so predictable when Wilf plays, especially when Townsend isn't available to provide a second option. Our team is built around Wilf and it's all about defend for our lives and hope that when we can get the ball to him, Wilf will skin a defender or three and either score or put a killer cross in for a tap in a la Citeh game.

 

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View pieceofcake's Profile pieceofcake Flag Cell 36,HMP Albany 29 Jan 20 12.31pm Send a Private Message to pieceofcake Add pieceofcake as a friend

Originally posted by Den1923

Roy is not the problem, Parish/Freedman are the problems and until they are replaced, things will be just the same if Roy is there or not, clearly no proven PL Manager will want to be involved with a club that does not invest in the team, SP/DF have failed repeatedly to get signings over the line, there has to be something seriously wrong with these two as they seem to make the club toxic to new players, they only expertise they have is in last minute low key loan deals, they have no succession planning, we have an aging squad and frankly we are in serious trouble with no guarantee that we are safe even for this season. If we do get relegated it will be a seriously financial blow to the club and in the end only one person is responsible and that is Parish!

And then Parish gets to buy the club at a greatly reduced price.Is that what's going on?

 

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View Den1923's Profile Den1923 Flag 29 Jan 20 1.53pm Send a Private Message to Den1923 Add Den1923 as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

You don’t seem to think the Americans have any say in the running of the club and sanction any spending. Freeman has a good success rate in purchases, he has been involved in, it’s always a risk. If Parish isn’t given any funds by the Americans, who run their businesses prudently, he hasn’t a choice.
You allude to the club being toxic, which is only because they aren’t buying everything that moves, Goldberg tried that blew his money and nearly got the club closed down.

I'm sorry but I disagree, it was Parish who got the Americans involved and brokered the deal with them. The Americans, must understand the difference between the value of their investment in the PL will be entirely different as a championship club or dare I say a league one outfit. Parish is supposed to be the CEO but he cannot walk the talk. We have in recent seasons see many supposed transfers fall down at the last minute and instead seen the candidates go to our rivals as whatever is on offer at CP seems to be toxic, even managers have walked before Roy arrived because I suspect of lack of meaningful investment in the first team squad, although some other spin has been put on that to protect parish et-al. Parish has a total control culture and really does not allow any incomings unless they on his terms, which often sound unrealistic and unreasonable. As for Freedman, I do not recall any signings that have been down to him that stand out or indeed any idea of what succession planning he has in place to replace ageing players. He has been unable to for at least two transfer windows, if not longer, to find a decent striker even though everyone (except maybe Parish) knew that we needed one and the same can be said about our LB position after AWB left. In fact give him credit by all means when its due, in that respect Freeman was a good player forus, but also do not forget as a Manager he left the club for Bolton as he thought his options were better there!

The clubs transfer policy and handling is a shambles and embarrassment to all!

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 29 Jan 20 2.47pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Quite simply I cannot see how majority shareholders don't pull the strings. Not sure how you can think differently Den. If there is a lack of investment in this club it is only coming from one area. Don't be surprised to find money being siphoned off to the US in the accounts when they come out.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 29 Jan 20 3.09pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Quite simply I cannot see how majority shareholders don't pull the strings. Not sure how you can think differently Den. If there is a lack of investment in this club it is only coming from one area. Don't be surprised to find money being siphoned off to the US in the accounts when they come out.

Quite honestly none of us know who pulls the strings and don't forget that if the Americans put in £10m for transfers then Parish also has to stump up £5m

 

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