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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 26 Sep 23 12.08pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by georgenorman

Good few years ago since I last went on a train and then it was crowded and a fairly unpleasant experience with ridiculously confusing ticket prices and unhelpful staff.

Oh so you've met the hard working loyal dedicated train staff then. You probably didn't meet the Guard they are far too busy hiding in their little cubby hole

 


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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 26 Sep 23 1.00pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Andy Burnham grandstanding he will sue the Govt, really. Who will sue who for what exactly?

Are Manchester council tax payers keen to fund a massive court case.

I would bin HS2 and spend some money immediately on connectivity between Northern and Midland cities, some in the South West and system wide electrification.

Old Oak Common station is probably too advanced to scrap but should be repurposed to fit in with existing lines only.

 


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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 26 Sep 23 1.03pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Oh so you've met the hard working loyal dedicated train staff then. You probably didn't meet the Guard they are far too busy hiding in their little cubby hole

It's fair to say when I have been on rail in the UK recently, quite a lot in 2023 there seem to be a lot of staff standing around or sitting about not doing very much. Clapham Junction, St Pancras, Kings Cross.

The staff at Selhurst and Norwood Junction are very busy whenever I am there.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 26 Sep 23 1.42pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

More cash stripped out of the public coffers - nothing more, nothing less.

This governments only remaining ambition is to get their hands on as much taxpayer money as they can get away with before they inevitably lose power.

China have built 20,000 miles of high speed rail infrastructure in the time that we have failed to build 140 miles.

Chinaís cost $17-21m per km. Mainland Europe have built similar projects at $25-39m per km.

HS2 is costing $475m per km.

India have landed a rover on the moon for $75m. The planning application alone for the Lower Thames Crossing costs four and half times that.

Itís all a racket.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 27 Sep 23 10.20am Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

In the south at least you will normally have a good train service with enough trains and quite punctual if not always.

Not so in the north, you're lucky if you get either of those.

So why are northern mayors not addressing this, but instead forming alliances in favour of HS2 to Manchester a money-pit with no benefit except to vanity.

Think of a number and double it, 180 billions I have seen, that's HS2 but it just doesn't do anything much anyway.

In fact as Khan points out today the service to London is going to be considerably longer than at present due to the new station.

It is an embarrassment and there is enormous reputational damage to the country in addition to all the devastation.

The PM, Sunak seems to agree that the British are not much cop and that seems to be the basis of his announcements.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 27 Sep 23 10.52am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

The problem with HS2 was doing it in the first place when the money could have been spent better elsewhere.
The north does not use public transport like we do in London. It does however suffer from poor connections between northern towns, which might explain some reluctance to use it. That is where the money should be spent

That said, stopping HS2 when it is half built seems like compounding one bad idea with another.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 27 Sep 23 8.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

More cash stripped out of the public coffers - nothing more, nothing less.

This governments only remaining ambition is to get their hands on as much taxpayer money as they can get away with before they inevitably lose power.

China have built 20,000 miles of high speed rail infrastructure in the time that we have failed to build 140 miles.

Chinaís cost -21m per km. Mainland Europe have built similar projects at -39m per km.

HS2 is costing 5m per km.

India have landed a rover on the moon for m. The planning application alone for the Lower Thames Crossing costs four and half times that.

Itís all a racket.

Itís the planning process thatís the problem and itís not going to be easy to solve because doing what ought to be done, and over-riding objections in order to reduce costs and speed delivery, would be so politically unpopular that no government will do it.

The only way is a consensus between all the political parties to agree to do this, which will not happen with our present system. So we are stuck until we change it.

If you have ever had to fight your way through the planning process you will understand what a nightmare of stupidity it is.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 28 Sep 23 1.02pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

'The relationship between those profiting from these big projects and those in power is such that no one truly costs or controls them'.

How true, and HS2 has never even had a budget.

It really looks like you hand your chit in and the civil servants or tory ministers just carry on doling you out.

It is a gravy train and nobody is even mentioning getting the taxpayers money back.

That would just be ridiculous.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 28 Sep 23 3.09pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Itís the planning process thatís the problem and itís not going to be easy to solve because doing what ought to be done, and over-riding objections in order to reduce costs and speed delivery, would be so politically unpopular that no government will do it.

The only way is a consensus between all the political parties to agree to do this, which will not happen with our present system. So we are stuck until we change it.

If you have ever had to fight your way through the planning process you will understand what a nightmare of stupidity it is.


Edited by Forest Hillbilly (29 Sep 2023 7.33am)

 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 29 Sep 23 7.32am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

Planning played little part in the mega fck-up. A convenient smoke screen for total financial and Governmental mismanagement.

The Government knew well in advance what the Planning Regulations were. The Regulations haven't changed. What do you suggest ? Because Planning Regulations are (allegedly) inconvenient in this instance, we should change the law ? And (for example) move homes onto contaminated land ? As Boris used to refer to inconvenient laws as "red tape". Planning Regulations are there to protect the existing environment and regulate for quality developments.
Perhaps you were one of the people that wanted the age of consent raised to 18, just for the Russell Brand allegations ? You can't change the law just because it doesn't suit your view in one particular instance.
Laws and Regulations are there to protect people and property.

much like the Gas Appliances Regulations, which some people choose to ignore.


 


"The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 29 Sep 23 10.43am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

HS2 must be completed. People said the same about the big white tent in Greenwich, the M25 and other major projects. Yes you can build schools and hospitals with the money but then the ongoing costs of those will need finding. As a country the infrastructure is vitally important. If rail or road or waterways etc. progress costs and if not now the railways will need to be replaced at some stage as they are wearing out. This would be the start of those projects.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 29 Sep 23 11.27am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Not intended to be whataboutery but an example of costs over running in other places as well.

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