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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 02 Sep 19 7.02pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What do you regard as 'racist'? Self interest isn't 'racist'....That's the language and thought processes of the left, which exist nowhere else in the world.

'Controlled immigration' ends up with the same result with just a bit more delay built in.

Unless you have an immigration policy like Japan's.....Which essentially refuses citizenship to foreigners.....Then all you are doing is waving goodbye to European hegemony within European lands with an egg timer attached.....Powell was right.

A hundred years ago Japan looked Japanese....Now it looks Japanese. In another hundred years it will still be Japanese.....No external based terror attacks or 'feminism' or concerns about 'racism'......You know why....the communists were sidelined in Japan after the war...rather violently as it happens and their pro immigration stance has meant they have never made headway.

It's the 'controlled immigration' myths which have already done for this country.....The birth rates and previous immigration rates have already set replacement in stone.

In the meantime you don't like being called a 'racist'.

I'm sure your great grandchildren will really be concerned about that one.


Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Sep 2019 3.49pm)

Come on danh.
Put your 3 words on this.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 02 Sep 19 7.12pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Come on danh.
Put your 3 words on this.

He's reclining back in his armchair listening to his Stormzy album in his stab proof vest and 'F Boris' slippers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Sep 2019 7.13pm)

 

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View dollardays's Profile dollardays Flag 03 Sep 19 3.29pm Send a Private Message to dollardays Add dollardays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Just read that articled well argued. It sums up how I feel as I am on the right of centre of politics but I do not like being lumped in with the far right. Just because I oppose open door immigration does not make me a racist. Some people rarely bother to listen further that I am in favour of controlled immigration based on job skills, no they have already decided I am against immigration full stop.


Edited by Badger11 (02 Sep 2019 12.05pm)

Well said. It's a very common view. Most people aren't averse to 'some' immigration as long as it's needed in specific industries. Beyond that, there seems to be this idea in some quarters that if you're non white and are born here, you've been given some kind of special access to a club and should be eternally grateful for it. No, if you're born here and see this as your country then this is your home as much as it is mine. If you happen to be non white that's a total irrelevance.

And leading on from that, I agree, that if we need vacancies filled because we don't have the talent in this area or that, yes bring in individuals talented enough to fill those roles. Ideally as a nation we'd have structures and training in place to ensure that we don't even have to do that, so that can be done in tandem, but if all we care about in the decision making process is a person's race rather than their abilities and character, then I don't see that as a positive by any means.

Where I do diverge slightly, is that I don't really prescribe to an opinion that the economy has to endlessly grow and grow anyway. That will always benefit corporations and be their goal, but won't really make much difference to the average man on the streets life. So from that perspective, I don't think we ever 'need' much immigration anyway. Issues like the housing crisis and indeed those caused by mass immigration in the first place could possibly benefit from something approaching a pause in immigration. With possible exceptions in areas of real need, where training is currently lagging.

Edited by dollardays (03 Sep 2019 3.55pm)

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 03 Sep 19 4.21pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

We have to deal with reality in terms of immigration.....Not acceptance or agreement perhaps but reality.

Replacement to minority status for whites in England and then onto the wider UK is set in stone. This will mean gradual 'frog in the water' but still huge and permanent cultural and hegemonic shifts in power as we move forward.....first in England as we already see in our cities and then onto the UK and Ireland at large. Birth rates mean that it is only a matter of time.

There is power....those that have it and those that don't. The only demographic in the world that is particularly tolerant of minorities is European.....altruism in a global world ultimately leads to the disappearance of your own group genetics....The East Asians were intelligent enough to understand this.

The only European demographics not concerned for the future are 'normies' who think that elites have their backs....or those who don't value the European identity or those wealthy enough to ultimately move to where the going is always the best.....their kids won't have to deal with the higher crime and violence rates and the social incohesion and rising anti white culture that will emerge.

Lots of people want to know what they can do about this and what the best steps are to take if they aren't looking forward to the nitty gritty of what this actually entails......Not the warm worded, philosophical, head in the clouds 'nothing to see here' that some will sell you.

The way I see it....unless something dramatic happens...which I don't foresee, this country is already lost. I saw an interview with Peter Hitchens the other day and his advice to anyone under thirty was to get out of the country.

That's something I see happening and quickening in pace as we move forward. White flight will move less from UK population areas and more to leaving the country.....as the brain drain occurs the competing for lowering resources isn't going to be pretty...hope that your kids don't stick around for that.

As to where?

Again...unless there is a change in direction...due to EU politics this will also happen all over Europe....apart from hold out countries. Still, once some critical loss has been reached there will at some point there will be a European state, which like Israel and East Asian countries will have real and maintained rules to protect the hegemony of that population. When that time comes that's the future.....But I don't see it until around 2050 personally.

But I very much doubt that the left will be welcome.

In the meantime, it's just try to live as far away from the cities as is economically possible.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 4.36pm)

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 03 Sep 19 4.50pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We have to deal with reality in terms of immigration.....Not acceptance or agreement perhaps but reality.

Replacement to minority status for whites in England and then onto the wider UK is set in stone. This will mean gradual 'frog in the water' but still huge and permanent cultural and hegemonic shifts in power as we move forward.....first in England as we already see in our cities and then onto the UK and Ireland at large. Birth rates mean that it is only a matter of time.

There is power....those that have it and those that don't. The only demographic in the world that is particularly tolerant of minorities is European.....altruism in a global world ultimately leads to the disappearance of your own group genetics....The East Asians were intelligent enough to understand this.

The only European demographics not concerned for the future are 'normies' who think that elites have their backs....or those who don't value the European identity or those wealthy enough to ultimately move to where the going is always the best.....their kids won't have to deal with the higher crime and violence rates and the social incohesion and rising anti white culture that will emerge.

Lots of people want to know what they can do about this and what the best steps are to take if they aren't looking forward to the nitty gritty of what this actually entails......Not the warm worded, philosophical, head in the clouds 'nothing to see here' that some will sell you.

The way I see it....unless something dramatic happens...which I don't foresee, this country is already lost. I saw an interview with Peter Hitchens the other day and his advice to anyone under thirty was to get out of the country.

That's something I see happening and quickening in pace as we move forward. White flight will move less from UK population areas and more to leaving the country.....as the brain drain occurs the competing for lowering resources isn't going to be pretty...hope that your kids don't stick around for that.

As to where?

Again...unless there is a change in direction...due to EU politics this will also happen all over Europe....apart from hold out countries. Still, once some critical loss has been reached there will at some point there will be a European state, which like Israel and East Asian countries will have real and maintained rules to protect the hegemony of that population. When that time comes that's the future.....But I don't see it until around 2050 personally.

But I very much doubt that the left will be welcome.

In the meantime, it's just try to live as far away from the cities as is economically possible.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 4.36pm)

I may have a chance to take my family to the US in 4-5 years time. At last there I can buy myself a gun.

Normies just do not understand what is coming for their children.

 

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Originally posted by W12

I may have a chance to take my family to the US in 4-5 years time. At last there I can buy myself a gun.

Normies just do not understand what is coming for their children.

Yep the States is one possibility however they are already further along the road than us in many states.

It's not to hard to see what they will try to do once there is permanent Democratic governance. They know that 'whites' own most of the weapons and they will try to disarm them. But before that they will probably try to break up any high 'white' percentage states.....none of it is rocket science.

Essentially the US is heading for some form of civil conflict.

As long as the Eastern European countries hold out I don't see that happening everywhere in Europe necessarily....as select countries will maintain their population advantage....flocking to one in particular once it clearly emerges will strengthen it considerably.

All far to much in the future to be certain of course but we might as well speculate.

It could be Russian or slavic generally....as they also reject forms of social liberalism.


Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 5.27pm)

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe 03 Sep 19 5.33pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

I'm not sure you understand the point being put across.
You went straight on the attack dismissing the point being put across.

Perhaps there wouldn't be such a devide in society if people like you wouldn't be so ignorant.

In fairness, given your posting history, you do not strike me as someone who is devoid of ignorance.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

We have to deal with reality in terms of immigration.....Not acceptance or agreement perhaps but reality.

Replacement to minority status for whites in England and then onto the wider UK is set in stone. This will mean gradual 'frog in the water' but still huge and permanent cultural and hegemonic shifts in power as we move forward.....first in England as we already see in our cities and then onto the UK and Ireland at large. Birth rates mean that it is only a matter of time.

There is power....those that have it and those that don't. The only demographic in the world that is particularly tolerant of minorities is European.....altruism in a global world ultimately leads to the disappearance of your own group genetics....The East Asians were intelligent enough to understand this.

The only European demographics not concerned for the future are 'normies' who think that elites have their backs....or those who don't value the European identity or those wealthy enough to ultimately move to where the going is always the best.....their kids won't have to deal with the higher crime and violence rates and the social incohesion and rising anti white culture that will emerge.

Lots of people want to know what they can do about this and what the best steps are to take if they aren't looking forward to the nitty gritty of what this actually entails......Not the warm worded, philosophical, head in the clouds 'nothing to see here' that some will sell you.

The way I see it....unless something dramatic happens...which I don't foresee, this country is already lost. I saw an interview with Peter Hitchens the other day and his advice to anyone under thirty was to get out of the country.

That's something I see happening and quickening in pace as we move forward. White flight will move less from UK population areas and more to leaving the country.....as the brain drain occurs the competing for lowering resources isn't going to be pretty...hope that your kids don't stick around for that.

As to where?

Again...unless there is a change in direction...due to EU politics this will also happen all over Europe....apart from hold out countries. Still, once some critical loss has been reached there will at some point there will be a European state, which like Israel and East Asian countries will have real and maintained rules to protect the hegemony of that population. When that time comes that's the future.....But I don't see it until around 2050 personally.

But I very much doubt that the left will be welcome.

In the meantime, it's just try to live as far away from the cities as is economically possible.

Edited by Stirlingsays (03 Sep 2019 4.36pm)

A well put argument but perhaps a little too far onto the pessimistic side. Maybe that is down to age. It also appears that you are equating white = intelligent, non-white = criminal/stupid, hopefully unintentionally.

If a points based immigration system comes in then the 'quality' of people coming in goes up, not down. Also, even if there is significant white flight, 'white brain drain' will simply be replaced by immigrant brain boosting.

This comes back yet again to the globalisation/automation discussion we've touched on many times, culture/identity/seperatism and so on is doomed to failure in an increasingly interconnected, inter-reliant, corporately dominated world. The trajectory is toward corporations with power, not politicians. And the big corporates of now, and the future have little interest in protecting borders – they want access to everyone at all times. One supermassive profit making population.

The left will, in fact, probably be welcome, because they are in charge of the largest corporate entities in the world.

Also on the genetics point – that's a subjective thing of course, more of an issue for you, less of an issue for me. I just see it as the inevitable course of the future of humanity that separatism eventually becomes homogenised into one big lump. Easier to sell to, make money out of and control.

 


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Originally posted by W12

I may have a chance to take my family to the US in 4-5 years time. At last there I can buy myself a gun.

Normies just do not understand what is coming for their children.

I think this is a bit melodramatic, even hyperbolic. Certainly massively pessimistic. But each to their own.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

A well put argument but perhaps a little too far onto the pessimistic side. Maybe that is down to age. It also appears that you are equating white = intelligent, non-white = criminal/stupid, hopefully unintentionally.

Well, it would certainly be nicer if I'm wrong....there's little doubt of that.

The 'white' and intelligence debate is a distraction that essentially is besides the point really. It isn't going to make any real diffence to the demographic outcomes...those are averages anyway and regardless whites aren't the most intelligent group anyway and the reasons for European success is only partly down to intelligence.....other genetic characteristics are also very important....the higher level of altruism that lends itself to its own destruction for example.....also things like geography also has its place.

When I referred to the East Asians being too intelligent to lose hegemonic control in their own countries.....Essentially I mean that they are less altruistic than Europeans, which as that ensures group dominance can be seen as better for their own group self interest.

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

If a points based immigration system comes in then the 'quality' of people coming in goes up, not down. Also, even if there is significant white flight, 'white brain drain' will simply be replaced by immigrant brain boosting.

Like I said, same result just slightly delayed....successful people bring in their families and the reality of 'regression to the mean' takes affect over time.

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

This comes back yet again to the globalisation/automation discussion we've touched on many times, culture/identity/seperatism and so on is doomed to failure in an increasingly interconnected, inter-reliant, corporately dominated world. The trajectory is toward corporations with power, not politicians. And the big corporates of now, and the future have little interest in protecting borders – they want access to everyone at all times. One supermassive profit making population.

I've thought about it quite a lot since those discussions. I think this vision for the future might be accurate for parts of the world but I don't see identity being washed away as you do.....Maybe over very long time scales but anything that far off is speculative.

It's an inherent factor of human....tribalism isn't going to disappear...Only the genes of the altruistic will submit to that....which largely appears to be Europeans. Look around the world outside of the western nihilistic bubble. The East Asians are very corporate but they aren't buying into the 'borg' concept.


Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

The left will, in fact, probably be welcome, because they are in charge of the largest corporate entities in the world.

I'm not so sure about that....corporations can be broken up and political change can occur in them via rule changes.

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Also on the genetics point – that's a subjective thing of course, more of an issue for you, less of an issue for me. I just see it as the inevitable course of the future of humanity that separatism eventually becomes homogenised into one big lump. Easier to sell to, make money out of and control.

I think very long term....in terms of genetics...due to augmentation such as automation and other technolgies I think a form of this is probable. Essentially what does or doesn't happen in hundreds of years is besides the point of now.

As stated I don't see tribalism disappearing on short term time scales and corporate power divorced of national control?.....Mmmm...I think that's a Europeanism.

While what you say contains elements that are possible it's kind of divorced from time scales and what's the better course of action for what you want for your genetics.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Sep 2019 2.23am)

 

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Originally posted by DanH

Boo hoo, you can’t get away with being a c*nt anymore.


well, it would take one to know one. Eh Daniel ?

 


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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

So If i said hypothetically

1. Hate all religion
2. I have Islam.
3. I hate Christianity

Which one would people find more offensive

Very good point

 

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