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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger



They only do that because they can never produce anything to support their denial.

Replacement deniers. It has a ring about it.

I've literally been told that 'race doesn't exist' by people who support affirmative action.

Political dishonesty has almost no bounds.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've literally been told that 'race doesn't exist' by people who support affirmative action.

Political dishonesty has almost no bounds.

Well in terms of scientific definitions it doesn't, but the common understanding is that peoples with obvious physical differences are separate races.

It amuses me because I was once bombarded with abuse on the BBS by lefties for pointing out the former because they thought it was 'racist'.

You have to laugh.

The bottom line is that Whitey will disappear unless he takes steps to ensure his future.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Well in terms of scientific definitions it doesn't, but the common understanding is that peoples with obvious physical differences are separate races.

It amuses me because I was once bombarded with abuse on the BBS by lefties for pointing out the former because they thought it was 'racist'.

You have to laugh.

The bottom line is that Whitey will disappear unless he takes steps to ensure his future.

Yep....first thing is we need our own Soros to fund and promote our own media to compete with the current status quo.

The alternative media is doing well but its kept from the normies by the pretence that it doesn't exist or that it's all far right.

 

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I am less bothered about demographics than most on the right primarily because it strikes me that most migrants actually share more values with those of us all the Right than they do with the lefties who supposedly champion them.

Look at the protests outside schools at the moment against the deviant alphabet spaghetti mob up in the Midlands. Led by Muslims. I have nothing but respect for their efforts.

For me the biggest threat we face at the moment comes from people who are white. And who spout off Green bulls***. That is the evil. Anti-life types who seem to think nothing of exploiting naive young Swedish girls with developmental issues for their own ends.

Of course, there are going to be a raft of problems and clashes of culture but I am becoming increasingly convinced that the future is a Cosmopolitian Conservatism one that puts the empahsis back on traditional values.

The Globalisation Genie is out of the bottle. It cannot be helped and if I was some poor b****** in some s***-hole of a third world plague pit then I would be looking to do whatever it took to give myself a better future.

I think this is where people on the Right have to reach out a little. Understand that we have far more in common with the average Muslim or Sikh or Hindu than the scummy soc.libs who would if they had the courage to be honest, admit they absolutely loathe the traditional values that the vast majority of migrants to the West cherish.

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Originally posted by Matov

I am less bothered about demographics than most on the right primarily because it strikes me that most migrants actually share more values with those of us all the Right than they do with the lefties who supposedly champion them.

Look at the protests outside schools at the moment against the deviant alphabet spaghetti mob up in the Midlands. Led by Muslims. I have nothing but respect for their efforts.

For me the biggest threat we face at the moment comes from people who are white. And who spout off Green bulls***. That is the evil. Anti-life types who seem to think nothing of exploiting naive young Swedish girls with developmental issues for their own ends.

Of course, there are going to be a raft of problems and clashes of culture but I am becoming increasingly convinced that the future is a Cosmopolitian Conservatism one that puts the empahsis back on traditional values.

The Globalisation Genie is out of the bottle. It cannot be helped and if I was some poor b****** in some s***-hole of a third world plague pit then I would be looking to do whatever it took to give myself a better future.

I think this is where people on the Right have to reach out a little. Understand that we have far more in common with the average Muslim or Sikh or Hindu than the scummy soc.libs who would if they had the courage to be honest, admit they absolutely loathe the traditional values that the vast majority of migrants to the West cherish.

Edited by Matov (22 Sep 2019 8.56pm)

Edited by Matov (22 Sep 2019 9.20pm)

I get your drift here but, of course, the conservative attitudes of Muslims etc come from religious dogma more than common sense.
It could be argued that both sides of that coin originate from the same route but I cannot condone religious doctrine or an absurd fear of afterlife punishment just because it happens to align occasionally with my attitudes.

 

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Originally posted by Matov

I am less bothered about demographics than most on the right primarily because it strikes me that most migrants actually share more values with those of us all the Right than they do with the lefties who supposedly champion them.

Look at the protests outside schools at the moment against the deviant alphabet spaghetti mob up in the Midlands. Led by Muslims. I have nothing but respect for their efforts.

For me the biggest threat we face at the moment comes from people who are white. And who spout off Green bulls***. That is the evil. Anti-life types who seem to think nothing of exploiting naive young Swedish girls with developmental issues for their own ends.

Of course, there are going to be a raft of problems and clashes of culture but I am becoming increasingly convinced that the future is a Cosmopolitian Conservatism one that puts the empahsis back on traditional values.

The Globalisation Genie is out of the bottle. It cannot be helped and if I was some poor b****** in some s***-hole of a third world plague pit then I would be looking to do whatever it took to give myself a better future.

I think this is where people on the Right have to reach out a little. Understand that we have far more in common with the average Muslim or Sikh or Hindu than the scummy soc.libs who would if they had the courage to be honest, admit they absolutely loathe the traditional values that the vast majority of migrants to the West cherish.

Edited by Matov (22 Sep 2019 8.56pm)

Edited by Matov (22 Sep 2019 9.20pm)

This is the same road that the left have travelled down....it's not going to work and at a certain population size they will be discarded.

It's very much a European attitude....'lets enlarge our similarities and reduce our differences'. It can work at the individual and small group level but it's not happening holistically.

All you are doing is paying the metaphorical danegeld.

It's certainly true that Islam is very socially conservative.....I mean, I'm socially conservative but I'm a raving twerking liberal compared to mainstream Islam.

Indeed, we could say that Hinduism and Islam are also very socially conservative...Sikhism also....Why I wonder don't they live side by side in large numbers....history tells us why.

What you are saying is similar to someone saying.....'why can't the Hitler and Stalin both get on?' I mean, the Nazis and communists share certain attributes....both authoritarian, statist and militarist.

However, the differences are just too big.

What you need to appreciate, and what most reform Muslims will tell you is that there can be no real integration outside of reformist Islam because the religion itself won't tolerate it.....that's just as much of the social conservatism you notice as anything else.

Mainstream Islam is very Identitarian and it isn't going to accept a rival system once it reaches a set size....Just as happened back at its start.

If what you are saying is that you would rather be a Muslim than a leftist then I can understand but for me that's not happening. The idea of my children's children being Muslims is truly awful.


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This short video pretty much sums it all up for me and much about my own journey on this general area.

[Link]

It's valid to talk about Islam of course but this thread is more about the generalised political dishonesty within our system and future options.

The video is by 'Frame Games Radio' a Jewish guy on the right who was censored off of Youtube and seemingly the Internet via doxxing threats 10 months ago.


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is the same road that the left have travelled down....it's not going to work and at a certain population size they will be discarded.

It's very much a European attitude....'lets enlarge our similarities and reduce our differences'. It can work at the individual and small group level but it's not happening holistically.

All you are doing is paying the metaphorical danegeld.



Over the next 100 years, the influence of Petrodollars will fade. It is already starting and with a US that is now almost energy independent, the forces that have driven Islamic fundamentalism will decline in influence. You are already seeing a backlash.

We have to accept that globalisation is a reality no matter how much we want to pretend it is not. And the Right need to adopt it. Push for the notion of shared values, about the evil of the Green-Left axis (and I do not use the word 'evil' lightly. They truly wish for the destruction of humanity) and yes, coalesce around that which unites us as opposed to dividing.

Perhaps that narrative is a little naive and I certainly do not wish to minimise the threat the Islamic fundamentalism truly poses but I also wonder if we have been sold a dud in someways when the real threat to our way of life comes from those within, so to speak.

I have no desire to have Muslim Grandchildren, a sentiment that I am sure most Muslims would echo in terms of them wishing to maintain their own cultural and spiritual identities as well but in terms of what I truly value, then it is the scum from the left that presents the biggest threat to those.

We demonise, and quite rightly, the groups responsible for the grooming scandals across the country but let us not forget that it was white people aiding and abetting them along with the wider white community washing their hands of the victims in the first place who, in the main, came from dysfunctional families. We cannot ask others to face up to their role in what has happened without also acknowledging ours.

I dropped my daughter off yesterday at University and it was a mixed bag in terms of other races and religions but the one thing that struck me was how it was primarily family groups around us. Mum, Dad, siblings, grandparents. Colour was irrelevant. I share far more in common with them than I do the white degenerates currently driving most of our main-stream media agenda.

The Left are my enemy. And in the main, they are as white as my backside.

 

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Originally posted by Matov


Over the next 100 years, the influence of Petrodollars will fade. It is already starting and with a US that is now almost energy independent, the forces that have driven Islamic fundamentalism will decline in influence. You are already seeing a backlash.

We have to accept that globalisation is a reality no matter how much we want to pretend it is not. And the Right need to adopt it. Push for the notion of shared values, about the evil of the Green-Left axis (and I do not use the word 'evil' lightly. They truly wish for the destruction of humanity) and yes, coalesce around that which unites us as opposed to dividing.

Perhaps that narrative is a little naive and I certainly do not wish to minimise the threat the Islamic fundamentalism truly poses but I also wonder if we have been sold a dud in someways when the real threat to our way of life comes from those within, so to speak.

I have no desire to have Muslim Grandchildren, a sentiment that I am sure most Muslims would echo in terms of them wishing to maintain their own cultural and spiritual identities as well but in terms of what I truly value, then it is the scum from the left that presents the biggest threat to those.

We demonise, and quite rightly, the groups responsible for the grooming scandals across the country but let us not forget that it was white people aiding and abetting them along with the wider white community washing their hands of the victims in the first place who, in the main, came from dysfunctional families. We cannot ask others to face up to their role in what has happened without also acknowledging ours.

I dropped my daughter off yesterday at University and it was a mixed bag in terms of other races and religions but the one thing that struck me was how it was primarily family groups around us. Mum, Dad, siblings, grandparents. Colour was irrelevant. I share far more in common with them than I do the white degenerates currently driving most of our main-stream media agenda.

The Left are my enemy. And in the main, they are as white as my backside.

You seem to be using exactly the same argument as the people you proclaim to hate i.e. they seem to always deflect any blame to some 3rd party rather than the person or people actually committing the crime.

Also, why do you think family value's have wained in this country when the native population and it's culture has been demonized, ignored and supplanted for years now. What are working class white people been *allowed* to be proud of?

Also, you ignore the ignore both the history of Islam and the *unique* attributes of the religion and worldview of it's followers. It is entirely incompatible with western ideas of individual rights and tolerance of others. It's not pluralistic at all.

 

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Originally posted by Matov


Over the next 100 years, the influence of Petrodollars will fade. It is already starting and with a US that is now almost energy independent, the forces that have driven Islamic fundamentalism will decline in influence. You are already seeing a backlash.

We have to accept that globalisation is a reality no matter how much we want to pretend it is not. And the Right need to adopt it. Push for the notion of shared values, about the evil of the Green-Left axis (and I do not use the word 'evil' lightly. They truly wish for the destruction of humanity) and yes, coalesce around that which unites us as opposed to dividing.

Perhaps that narrative is a little naive and I certainly do not wish to minimise the threat the Islamic fundamentalism truly poses but I also wonder if we have been sold a dud in someways when the real threat to our way of life comes from those within, so to speak.

I have no desire to have Muslim Grandchildren, a sentiment that I am sure most Muslims would echo in terms of them wishing to maintain their own cultural and spiritual identities as well but in terms of what I truly value, then it is the scum from the left that presents the biggest threat to those.

We demonise, and quite rightly, the groups responsible for the grooming scandals across the country but let us not forget that it was white people aiding and abetting them along with the wider white community washing their hands of the victims in the first place who, in the main, came from dysfunctional families. We cannot ask others to face up to their role in what has happened without also acknowledging ours.

I dropped my daughter off yesterday at University and it was a mixed bag in terms of other races and religions but the one thing that struck me was how it was primarily family groups around us. Mum, Dad, siblings, grandparents. Colour was irrelevant. I share far more in common with them than I do the white degenerates currently driving most of our main-stream media agenda.

The Left are my enemy. And in the main, they are as white as my backside.

I'm not sure I really see the logic in accepting undesirable religions or cultures because their followers maintain a family structure that adheres to the natural human condition.
There is no need to accept any undesirable influence be it from Europeans or anyone else.

It's not an either or.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (23 Sep 2019 10.34am)

 

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Originally posted by W12

You seem to be using exactly the same argument as the people you proclaim to hate i.e. they seem to always deflect any blame to some 3rd party rather than the person or people actually committing the crime.

Also, why do you think family value's have wained in this country when the native population and it's culture has been demonized, ignored and supplanted for years now. What are working class white people been *allowed* to be proud of?

Also, you ignore the ignore both the history of Islam and the *unique* attributes of the religion and worldview of it's followers. It is entirely incompatible with western ideas of individual rights and tolerance of others. It's not pluralistic at all.

The grooming did not occur in a vacuum. It occurred in a society in which white people not only turned a blind eye but actively abetted it. I refute the suggestion that I am deflecting the blame but to see it solely in terms of brown abusers and white victims ignores the circumstances around which the situation was allowed to exist. If you are to push a racial narrative then you cannot ignore the role of white people in it. That does not excuse any of it. The Left, who were in positions of power, knew what was happening and CHOSE not to intervene. And 95% plus of those were white. If you are pushing a separatist agenda then more than most you should be harsher on those who are treacherous rather than those outsiders who take advantage.

And who has been doing the demonising of our native culture and values? Other white people. Again, the Left.

The Right have to be realists. The Left are driving Identity politics and want us to define ourselves solely by our skin colour. I refuse to play their game.

 

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Originally posted by Matov

The grooming did not occur in a vacuum. It occurred in a society in which white people not only turned a blind eye but actively abetted it. I refute the suggestion that I am deflecting the blame but to see it solely in terms of brown abusers and white victims ignores the circumstances around which the situation was allowed to exist. If you are to push a racial narrative then you cannot ignore the role of white people in it. That does not excuse any of it. The Left, who were in positions of power, knew what was happening and CHOSE not to intervene. And 95% plus of those were white. If you are pushing a separatist agenda then more than most you should be harsher on those who are treacherous rather than those outsiders who take advantage.

And who has been doing the demonising of our native culture and values? Other white people. Again, the Left.

The Right have to be realists. The Left are driving Identity politics and want us to define ourselves solely by our skin colour. I refuse to play their game.

I agree with all your criticism of the left but you seem to be suggesting that we embrace something equally bad or even worse. Whether we went in the direction of full on communism or a global caliphate, they would seem to result in similar and very unwanted outcomes.

 

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