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Originally posted by Matov

Over the next 100 years, the influence of Petrodollars will fade. It is already starting and with a US that is now almost energy independent, the forces that have driven Islamic fundamentalism will decline in influence. You are already seeing a backlash.

Immigration is fuelled by standards of living via civilisational development. The limitation on Islam within the US will ultimately be the rejection of it by less altruistic hispanic cultures which will be the majority....not really anything else.

However, it will enlarge from its 1 percent base and the US will inevitably experience problems from that.

Originally posted by Matov

We have to accept that globalisation is a reality no matter how much we want to pretend it is not. And the Right need to adopt it. Push for the notion of shared values, about the evil of the Green-Left axis (and I do not use the word 'evil' lightly. They truly wish for the destruction of humanity) and yes, coalesce around that which unites us as opposed to dividing.

I can't say I agree with you here. It's certainly true that globalisation is a reality, nobodies pretending any different.

However, globalisation has been resisted within certain European countries and in most of Asia....Again, I'll mention Japan - another island country with higher living standards and GDP than us - which hasn't 'globalised' its nationality and hence won't be losing the actual Japanese bit of Japan.

From your narrative you seem to be suggesting that the social conservatives within minority groups can be convinced to vote right. I've already answered this....that is only going to happen once they are in the majority. All minorities, no matter how socially conservative vote left....it's because they are minorities..it's universal.

Look around the world Matov....What you are suggesting doesn't happen.

Originally posted by Matov

Perhaps that narrative is a little naive and I certainly do not wish to minimise the threat the Islamic fundamentalism truly poses but I also wonder if we have been sold a dud in someways when the real threat to our way of life comes from those within, so to speak.

It comes from both. I would agree with you that the Baizuo are certainly currently the far larger problem....Hell they are essentially the state.

Originally posted by Matov

I have no desire to have Muslim Grandchildren, a sentiment that I am sure most Muslims would echo in terms of them wishing to maintain their own cultural and spiritual identities as well but in terms of what I truly value, then it is the scum from the left that presents the biggest threat to those.


It's both, it's not like you can play one off the other.


Originally posted by Matov

We demonise, and quite rightly, the groups responsible for the grooming scandals across the country but let us not forget that it was white people aiding and abetting them along with the wider white community washing their hands of the victims in the first place who, in the main, came from dysfunctional families. We cannot ask others to face up to their role in what has happened without also acknowledging ours.

Yes, the baizuo are ultimately the responsible party who haven't been punished for the rape gangs in over twenty UK towns. They enabled these rapes with inaction and impeded and demonised those who challenged them.

Action only happened once the mainstream press exposed what had been happening for decades. Yet, so called 'far right' groups had been pointing this out for many years.

Originally posted by Matov

I dropped my daughter off yesterday at University and it was a mixed bag in terms of other races and religions but the one thing that struck me was how it was primarily family groups around us. Mum, Dad, siblings, grandparents. Colour was irrelevant. I share far more in common with them than I do the white degenerates currently driving most of our main-stream media agenda.

The Left are my enemy. And in the main, they are as white as my backside.

Your position somewhat reminds me of the Candace Owens argument. Which is that the right within minorities should embrace with the right in whites.

Look at the actual statistics on how many blacks voted republican in 2016....Candace may be wonderful but she didn't move the needle in any real degree.

Hell look, I'm not against what you wish here. I'm not a person who says 'no non whites', those that come with us like Candace will come....However, I think you need to base you beliefs on the actual statistics on how different groups vote.....Not on how you'd wish it to be.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2019 4.36pm)

 

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View samprior's Profile samprior Flag Hackney 23 Sep 19 5.52pm Send a Private Message to samprior Add samprior as a friend

Originally posted by W12

You seem to be using exactly the same argument as the people you proclaim to hate i.e. they seem to always deflect any blame to some 3rd party rather than the person or people actually committing the crime.

Also, why do you think family value's have wained in this country when the native population and it's culture has been demonized,
ignored and supplanted for years now. What are working class white people been *allowed* to be proud of?

Also, you ignore the ignore both the history of Islam and the *unique* attributes of the religion and worldview of it's followers. It is entirely incompatible with western ideas of individual rights and tolerance of others. It's not pluralistic at all.

I agree family values in this country may have wained but what specific demonizing of the native population and culture has led to this? I can not quite understand what you mean here.

Secondly what are white working class people currently not allowed to be proud of?

 

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Originally posted by samprior

I agree family values in this country may have wained but what specific demonizing of the native population and culture has led to this? I can not quite understand what you mean here.

Secondly what are white working class people currently not allowed to be proud of?

Chav, white van man, gammon, loadsamoney, Benefits Street, Little Britain, Jeremy Kyle etc. It’s been bubbling away in the media for decades. Youth culture is a very good yardstick now where black rap and drill culture now dominates (to the point where many white kids have adopted black accents.

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When do you ever see a positive portrayal of a working class white person that’s not flawed or beaten down in some way?

 

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Originally posted by samprior

I agree family values in this country may have wained but what specific demonizing of the native population and culture has led to this? I can not quite understand what you mean here.

Secondly what are white working class people currently not allowed to be proud of?

Sticking up for socially conservative values are depicted as 'hate'.

Nationalism and masculinity are treated as 'toxic'.

 

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Originally posted by W12

Chav, white van man, gammon, loadsamoney, Benefits Street, Little Britain, Jeremy Kyle etc. It’s been bubbling away in the media for decades. Youth culture is a very good yardstick now where black rap and drill culture now dominates (to the point where many white kids have adopted black accents.

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When do you ever see a positive portrayal of a working class white person that’s not flawed or beaten down in some way?

By the way, I would answer my own question with “Kingsman” (the movie). I happen to know the producer and although he’s middle class he’s also ex forces so has respect for the working classes because he’s actually spent time with them.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sticking up for socially conservative values are depicted as 'hate'.

Nationalism and masculinity are treated as 'toxic'.

Some small but vocal circles yes but I wouldn't say widespread socially. However there are some aspects of Nationalism and masculinity which are treated as toxic by a large section of society and rightly so. And these are opinions and views which have changed over the last 30/40 years.

 

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Originally posted by W12

By the way, I would answer my own question with “Kingsman” (the movie). I happen to know the producer and although he’s middle class he’s also ex forces so has respect for the working classes because he’s actually spent time with them.

Mmmm...judging by that church scene...the lefty working class you mean.

If you aren't happy with third semester abortions and third world immigration you get a bullet in your head.

Oh and Colin Firth is an utter prat.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Sep 2019 7.12pm)

 

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Originally posted by W12

By the way, I would answer my own question with “Kingsman” (the movie). I happen to know the producer and although he’s middle class he’s also ex forces so has respect for the working classes because he’s actually spent time with them.

I will check it out. Others that spring to my mind that might fall into the category in parts are some of Shane Meadows films but not all of his are set in current times I guess.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Sep 19 7.24pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

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Two different places but similar sentiments.

 


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Originally posted by W12

Chav, white van man, gammon, loadsamoney, Benefits Street, Little Britain, Jeremy Kyle etc. It’s been bubbling away in the media for decades. Youth culture is a very good yardstick now where black rap and drill culture now dominates (to the point where many white kids have adopted black accents.

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When do you ever see a positive portrayal of a working class white person that’s not flawed or beaten down in some way?

I get that those are some examples of demonising - the exploitative TV programmes are hideous and I believe that the Jeremy Kyle show is now demonised (and rightly so). I'm not justifying any of these but the bit I don't understand is why you feel this is the cause of a decrease in family values.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

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Two different places but similar sentiments.

Well I guess the Irish can learn what it means to be good little EU fanboys.

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 23 Sep 19 9.26pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by samprior

I get that those are some examples of demonising - the exploitative TV programmes are hideous and I believe that the Jeremy Kyle show is now demonised (and rightly so). I'm not justifying any of these but the bit I don't understand is why you feel this is the cause of a decrease in family values.

Because the traditional working class British family is no longer celebrated anywhere in British culture. Pretty much every other type of family is actively encouraged be it multi racial or just plain non white, single parent, gays/trans etc. Even pepper pig is clearly middle class FFS. It’s also been hollowed out by the benefits system when people “cannot afford” to work.

 

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