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Hannes Vienna 22 Dec 19 5.10pm
Originally posted by Bexley Eagle That is complete b0llocks. We played well yesterday and their keeper played well. If we had scored the first goal we would have won comfortably. Just the way it goes. There have been plenty of occasions where we have knicked a win when hardly deserved. And as for no one watching I think you find we sell out most home games. For example at the same location 8 monthes ago when we were second best ........
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Vienna 22 Dec 19 5.10pm

Originally posted by Bexley Eagle

That is complete b0llocks. We played well yesterday and their keeper played well. If we had scored the first goal we would have won comfortably. Just the way it goes. There have been plenty of occasions where we have knicked a win when hardly deserved. And as for no one watching I think you find we sell out most home games.

For example at the same location 8 monthes ago when we were second best ........

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Dec 19 5.29pm
I’m reluctant to panic just yet but I’m not optimistic. We barely pulled together a squad this season and we’re seeing now where a few injuries are leaving us. We don’t have the players to back up those who are hardly ‘first team quality’ as it is. Short term we’re only a few bad results away from the relegation zone and long term a lot of these players are old and on the way out. I am a bit confused by those who are questioning the recruitment policy as I understood we have no money to spend at all in any circumstance, I’d be shocked if anyone comes in January and there’s the possibility Zaha might leave. With regards to Roy, the football is sh!t and sometimes unnecessarily negative but he’s doing the best he can with the bare bones he has. Ends have justified the means so far.. There is a feeling that we’re clinging on by our nails, shutting our eyes and hoping for the best and it all feels mightily precarious. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 22 Dec 19 5.29pm

I’m reluctant to panic just yet but I’m not optimistic.

We barely pulled together a squad this season and we’re seeing now where a few injuries are leaving us. We don’t have the players to back up those who are hardly ‘first team quality’ as it is. Short term we’re only a few bad results away from the relegation zone and long term a lot of these players are old and on the way out.

I am a bit confused by those who are questioning the recruitment policy as I understood we have no money to spend at all in any circumstance, I’d be shocked if anyone comes in January and there’s the possibility Zaha might leave.

With regards to Roy, the football is sh!t and sometimes unnecessarily negative but he’s doing the best he can with the bare bones he has. Ends have justified the means so far..

There is a feeling that we’re clinging on by our nails, shutting our eyes and hoping for the best and it all feels mightily precarious.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Dec 19 5.30pm
Originally posted by Canterbury Palace We have the oldest squad in the league I believe and several hugely injury prone players living within it. Roy has worked miracles to keep us up and I must admit I do fear for us once he goes. We desperately, desperately need investment in some young players who can freshen us up and hopefully give us an attacking edge that we are desperately lacking. Unfortunately the fact that we laughably gave Wickham a contract renewal tells me that the kitty is empty. Barring a takeover I fear that we will continue having to wheel and deal, trying to unearth diamonds from the bargain bin. He could be heading for Bristol C in January.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Dec 19 5.30pm

Originally posted by Canterbury Palace

We have the oldest squad in the league I believe and several hugely injury prone players living within it.

Roy has worked miracles to keep us up and I must admit I do fear for us once he goes.

We desperately, desperately need investment in some young players who can freshen us up and hopefully give us an attacking edge that we are desperately lacking.

Unfortunately the fact that we laughably gave Wickham a contract renewal tells me that the kitty is empty. Barring a takeover I fear that we will continue having to wheel and deal, trying to unearth diamonds from the bargain bin.

He could be heading for Bristol C in January.

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Brinscall Eagle Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 22 Dec 19 5.54pm
My view is we have in place a manager and a group of player who are more than capable of maintaining our position in the Premiership. You can argue about the style with which they are achieving it but it is effective enough. What the fear is how we move forward and there are many ways and precedents to pick from but copying is not always the best . Natural evolvement is best and I think we are all finding it difficult to see the next natural steps. Investment is the key and until the levels of investment are clear we will have to just muddle along as we are. In the meantime Roy and the players continue to perform and the future rests with the hierarchy , brining in a young goal scorer will not change much . It is the owners plans for the future that we need to see and maybe then we will be able to give our judgement but in the meantime........... COYP
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Brinscall Lancashire/ Villamartin ... 22 Dec 19 5.54pm

My view is we have in place a manager and a group of player who are more than capable of maintaining our position in the Premiership. You can argue about the style with which they are achieving it but it is effective enough.
What the fear is how we move forward and there are many ways and precedents to pick from but copying is not always the best . Natural evolvement is best and I think we are all finding it difficult to see the next natural steps. Investment is the key and until the levels of investment are clear we will have to just muddle along as we are.
In the meantime Roy and the players continue to perform and the future rests with the hierarchy , brining in a young goal scorer will not change much . It is the owners plans for the future that we need to see and maybe then we will be able to give our judgement but in the meantime...........
COYP

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manoftaste Hastings 22 Dec 19 6.26pm
This has been an interesting thread to read. Points I take from it are: (1) We are playing very unattractive football. In the end, football is about entertainment, and there's not been much of that this season; (2) We are punching above our weight, and for that both the chairman and manager should be applauded. But it won't last for ever, and Roy will surely go sooner rather than later; (3) We have nothing tangible to show for 6 years in the Premiership. Parts of the stadium (esp. the Arthur Waite stand) are an embarrassment. We all got excited about the new main stand plans, but they seem to have come to nought; (4) Our squad is old and threadbare, Wilf is clearly going to leave, there's not much sign of youngsters emerging from the Academy, and splurging millions on signings like Benteke and Sakho has been a mistake that shouldnt be repeated. Solutions? No obvious answers but: (1) Shouldnt we recruit a young deputy to Roy now with the idea he should assume the reigns in, say, 12 months time? (2) Shouldn't we make a start on the new stand now (and if JS wont sell the bit of land we need then modify the plans accordingly, allowing for expansion when/if that land becomes available)? (3) With the £50m from AWB and £70m+ from Wilf, surely it should be possible to sign half a dozen promising youngsters from lower league clubs assuming that, with good coaching and easing into first team duties, at least half will come good over next 12-18 months? (4) Couldn't the chairman convene a public meeting fans can attend where he outlines where he sees the club going (and how we get there) medium-term, so we can at least try to understand what the strategy is?
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Hastings 22 Dec 19 6.26pm

This has been an interesting thread to read. Points I take from it are:
(1) We are playing very unattractive football. In the end, football is about entertainment, and there's not been much of that this season;
(2) We are punching above our weight, and for that both the chairman and manager should be applauded. But it won't last for ever, and Roy will surely go sooner rather than later;
(3) We have nothing tangible to show for 6 years in the Premiership. Parts of the stadium (esp. the Arthur Waite stand) are an embarrassment. We all got excited about the new main stand plans, but they seem to have come to nought;
(4) Our squad is old and threadbare, Wilf is clearly going to leave, there's not much sign of youngsters emerging from the Academy, and splurging millions on signings like Benteke and Sakho has been a mistake that shouldnt be repeated.
Solutions? No obvious answers but:
(1) Shouldnt we recruit a young deputy to Roy now with the idea he should assume the reigns in, say, 12 months time?
(2) Shouldn't we make a start on the new stand now (and if JS wont sell the bit of land we need then modify the plans accordingly, allowing for expansion when/if that land becomes available)?
(3) With the £50m from AWB and £70m+ from Wilf, surely it should be possible to sign half a dozen promising youngsters from lower league clubs assuming that, with good coaching and easing into first team duties, at least half will come good over next 12-18 months?
(4) Couldn't the chairman convene a public meeting fans can attend where he outlines where he sees the club going (and how we get there) medium-term, so we can at least try to understand what the strategy is?

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kev64 Cambs 22 Dec 19 6.36pm
Originally posted by manoftaste This has been an interesting thread to read. Points I take from it are: (1) We are playing very unattractive football. In the end, football is about entertainment, and there's not been much of that this season; (2) We are punching above our weight, and for that both the chairman and manager should be applauded. But it won't last for ever, and Roy will surely go sooner rather than later; (3) We have nothing tangible to show for 6 years in the Premiership. Parts of the stadium (esp. the Arthur Waite stand) are an embarrassment. We all got excited about the new main stand plans, but they seem to have come to nought; (4) Our squad is old and threadbare, Wilf is clearly going to leave, there's not much sign of youngsters emerging from the Academy, and splurging millions on signings like Benteke and Sakho has been a mistake that shouldnt be repeated. Solutions? No obvious answers but: (1) Shouldnt we recruit a young deputy to Roy now with the idea he should assume the reigns in, say, 12 months time? (2) Shouldn't we make a start on the new stand now (and if JS wont sell the bit of land we need then modify the plans accordingly, allowing for expansion when/if that land becomes available)? (3) With the £50m from AWB and £70m+ from Wilf, surely it should be possible to sign half a dozen promising youngsters from lower league clubs assuming that, with good coaching and easing into first team duties, at least half will come good over next 12-18 months? (4) Couldn't the chairman convene a public meeting fans can attend where he outlines where he sees the club going (and how we get there) medium-term, so we can at least try to understand what the strategy is? Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure the AWB ££ went to service the growing club debt , with the remainder on the Summer transfer business and new contracts for existing players. We’re running on empty despite bringing in over £140 m a year. That’s his crazy football has got. Tekkers and Sako alone will have drained close to 90 mill from the club by the time they leave on a free. This is the harsh reality, unless we find an owner with very very deep pockets ... pretty much like most of the clubs outside the top 8 the best we can hope for is mid table obscurity and the occasional win against the big boys.
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kev64

Cambs 22 Dec 19 6.36pm

Originally posted by manoftaste

Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure the AWB ££ went to service the growing club debt , with the remainder on the Summer transfer business and new contracts for existing players.

We’re running on empty despite bringing in over £140 m a year. That’s his crazy football has got. Tekkers and Sako alone will have drained close to 90 mill from the club by the time they leave on a free. This is the harsh reality, unless we find an owner with very very deep pockets ... pretty much like most of the clubs outside the top 8 the best we can hope for is mid table obscurity and the occasional win against the big boys.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 22 Dec 19 7.50pm
We are balanced precariously on a mince pie.
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Cornwall 22 Dec 19 7.50pm

We are balanced precariously on a mince pie.

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AERO 22 Dec 19 7.55pm
As previously me the time to rebuild is upon us ,the stadium and the squad .If not done soon the trap door awaits .
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22 Dec 19 7.55pm

As previously me the time to rebuild is upon us ,the stadium and the squad .If not done soon the trap door awaits .

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Dec 19 7.56pm
It might not be that long when we are in pitchy seas when we will not so much flounder but succumb to the tempest, each wave picking us up and hurtling us further from the shore.We will be creaking like the 'Mayflower' in a gale.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Dec 19 7.56pm

It might not be that long when we are in pitchy seas when we will not so much flounder but succumb to the tempest, each wave picking us up and hurtling us further from the shore.We will be creaking like the 'Mayflower' in a gale.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 22 Dec 19 8.18pm
Originally posted by Willo It might not be that long when we are in pitchy seas when we will not so much flounder but succumb to the tempest, each wave picking us up and hurtling us further from the shore.We will be creaking like the 'Mayflower' in a gale. Lol, survival of the one who farts the loudest.
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Tickled pink

Cornwall 22 Dec 19 8.18pm

Originally posted by Willo

Lol, survival of the one who farts the loudest.

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Medway Eagle Whitstable Kent 22 Dec 19 9.26pm
Originally posted by becky I think things would improve and players used off the bench, I personally think its a bit of a protest from Roy not using players he had no say in buying. It just does not work with Parish and Freedman deciding who would fit in with the Managers plans, He already stated in one interview that we never brought in full backs in case of injury, He really needs cash and to decide who we buy Therein lies the conundrum for me......how do you plan for post-Roy? Start buying players now, and they could well be an expensive mistake if they do not fit with the plans/style of any new manager. Using up what funds are available to buy more additions to the bench warmers would be stupid. Don't buy, and you will have trouble attracting a decent replacement for Roy, and even if you do then he would only have a severely restricted amount of time to find players to suit him and the team. A real chicken and egg situation - but agree that something needs to be done. Maybe once we unload some more of the 'dead wood' purchases?
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Medway Eagle

Whitstable Kent 22 Dec 19 9.26pm

Originally posted by becky
I think things would improve and players used off the bench, I personally think its a bit of a protest from Roy not using players he had no say in buying. It just does not work with Parish and Freedman deciding who would fit in with the Managers plans, He already stated in one interview that we never brought in full backs in case of injury, He really needs cash and to decide who we buy

Therein lies the conundrum for me......how do you plan for post-Roy? Start buying players now, and they could well be an expensive mistake if they do not fit with the plans/style of any new manager. Using up what funds are available to buy more additions to the bench warmers would be stupid.

Don't buy, and you will have trouble attracting a decent replacement for Roy, and even if you do then he would only have a severely restricted amount of time to find players to suit him and the team.

A real chicken and egg situation - but agree that something needs to be done. Maybe once we unload some more of the 'dead wood' purchases?

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Dec 19 10.07pm
Originally posted by manoftaste This has been an interesting thread to read. Points I take from it are: (1) We are playing very unattractive football. In the end, football is about entertainment, and there's not been much of that this season; (2) We are punching above our weight, and for that both the chairman and manager should be applauded. But it won't last for ever, and Roy will surely go sooner rather than later; (3) We have nothing tangible to show for 6 years in the Premiership. Parts of the stadium (esp. the Arthur Waite stand) are an embarrassment. We all got excited about the new main stand plans, but they seem to have come to nought; (4) Our squad is old and threadbare, Wilf is clearly going to leave, there's not much sign of youngsters emerging from the Academy, and splurging millions on signings like Benteke and Sakho has been a mistake that shouldnt be repeated. Solutions? No obvious answers but: (1) Shouldnt we recruit a young deputy to Roy now with the idea he should assume the reigns in, say, 12 months time? (2) Shouldn't we make a start on the new stand now (and if JS wont sell the bit of land we need then modify the plans accordingly, allowing for expansion when/if that land becomes available)? (3) With the £50m from AWB and £70m+ from Wilf, surely it should be possible to sign half a dozen promising youngsters from lower league clubs assuming that, with good coaching and easing into first team duties, at least half will come good over next 12-18 months? (4) Couldn't the chairman convene a public meeting fans can attend where he outlines where he sees the club going (and how we get there) medium-term, so we can at least try to understand what the strategy is? 1. Is it ? You can play free flow attacking football, get beaten more often than not and get relegated, Is that what you want ? 2. Well, he's 72 so that's pretty obvious. Good to see you giving him some credit though 3. No we haven't and it's disappointing that investment for redevelopment was secured but no real progress made. I see the reasons as being a change to the Americans commitment and the usual issues with trying to get permissions to get anything done in urban areas. 4. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and no more so than in the transfer market. Benteke looked to be the proven goalscorer we needed at this level and Sakho's loan performances were above and beyond what we had at the time in that position Solutions ; 1. How often do football clubs do that ? Who is out there that would be willing to work under Hodgson for a year, to his methods, tactics, player selections ? I don't see that working. 2. We can't make a start on the new stand without the funds to do it and all the permissions in place. If the Americans are pulling out then presumably their original investment, ring fenced for stadium developments, is no longer available 3. Half of the income from AWB os going towards the Academy and gaining the Category 1 status the club needs to compete for the best youngsters. We haven't got any money yet for Zaha and may not do until next summer. Your solution re promising young players you make sound easy - it really isn't ! 4. No need for a public meeting when so many social media channels are available. I agree, I would like to know more specifics but SP clearly has little positive to share at this time because that is one thing he is very quick to do - share good news asap ! Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 22 Dec 19 10.07pm

Originally posted by manoftaste

This has been an interesting thread to read. Points I take from it are:
(1) We are playing very unattractive football. In the end, football is about entertainment, and there's not been much of that this season;
(2) We are punching above our weight, and for that both the chairman and manager should be applauded. But it won't last for ever, and Roy will surely go sooner rather than later;
(3) We have nothing tangible to show for 6 years in the Premiership. Parts of the stadium (esp. the Arthur Waite stand) are an embarrassment. We all got excited about the new main stand plans, but they seem to have come to nought;
(4) Our squad is old and threadbare, Wilf is clearly going to leave, there's not much sign of youngsters emerging from the Academy, and splurging millions on signings like Benteke and Sakho has been a mistake that shouldnt be repeated.
Solutions? No obvious answers but:
(1) Shouldnt we recruit a young deputy to Roy now with the idea he should assume the reigns in, say, 12 months time?
(2) Shouldn't we make a start on the new stand now (and if JS wont sell the bit of land we need then modify the plans accordingly, allowing for expansion when/if that land becomes available)?
(3) With the £50m from AWB and £70m+ from Wilf, surely it should be possible to sign half a dozen promising youngsters from lower league clubs assuming that, with good coaching and easing into first team duties, at least half will come good over next 12-18 months?
(4) Couldn't the chairman convene a public meeting fans can attend where he outlines where he sees the club going (and how we get there) medium-term, so we can at least try to understand what the strategy is?

1. Is it ? You can play free flow attacking football, get beaten more often than not and get relegated, Is that what you want ?
2. Well, he's 72 so that's pretty obvious. Good to see you giving him some credit though
3. No we haven't and it's disappointing that investment for redevelopment was secured but no real progress made. I see the reasons as being a change to the Americans commitment and the usual issues with trying to get permissions to get anything done in urban areas.
4. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and no more so than in the transfer market. Benteke looked to be the proven goalscorer we needed at this level and Sakho's loan performances were above and beyond what we had at the time in that position

Solutions ;

1. How often do football clubs do that ? Who is out there that would be willing to work under Hodgson for a year, to his methods, tactics, player selections ? I don't see that working.
2. We can't make a start on the new stand without the funds to do it and all the permissions in place. If the Americans are pulling out then presumably their original investment, ring fenced for stadium developments, is no longer available
3. Half of the income from AWB os going towards the Academy and gaining the Category 1 status the club needs to compete for the best youngsters. We haven't got any money yet for Zaha and may not do until next summer.
Your solution re promising young players you make sound easy - it really isn't !
4. No need for a public meeting when so many social media channels are available. I agree, I would like to know more specifics but SP clearly has little positive to share at this time because that is one thing he is very quick to do - share good news asap !

Old, Ungifted and White

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