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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 30 Dec 19 11.08am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

It should be the upper body or torso, not including head, limbs, hair, finger nails or eye balls. No player plays the offside looking at anything other than the upper body. It’s a complete joke and Liverpool’s title should null and void. To everyone else it will be because of all the favouritism.

I wouldn’t be surprised that years in the future we hear that there was some Liverpool w@nk favouritism and support in the VAR studio.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 19 11.20am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

What is interesting is that the debate about VAR suggested that any controversy would be about subjective decisions and matters of FACT would be accepted as it is with goalline technology.
At present of course the furore is about FACT ie a player is seen to be offside or not.It is the miniscule margins that is causing the controversy and I don't recall this scenario being part of any debate.

Furthermore it was always said that REFEREES needed help etc etc - It is not the referees who make the offside calls but their assistants !
Statistics showed that assistants were getting offside calls right 98% of the time so there really wasn't really a major issue.There is an issue caused as a result of the introduction of VAR looking into offsides when checking whether a goal should be awarded or not.

I totally understand the rationale behind checking whether a goal should stand or not but alas at the present time it is not adding value to the PL due to "Offsidegate".


Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2019 11.29am)

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 30 Dec 19 11.31am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Statistics revealed that the Assistants were getting offside decisions right 98% of the time so in effect there were hardly any mistakes made.

With the introduction of VAR we now have "Armpit gate" and other controversies, week on week to the extent that supporters are enraged and totally fedup with the incessant debate that surrounds this issue, not forgetting of course the injustices they see in such hairline decisions.Games are stopped, VAR checks are not concluded with sufficient alacrity and this is having a negative affect on the entertainment factor of football and the PL.

There is an argument that with the very high percentage of correct offside calls which used to be made pre-VAR, the technology should be used solely to determine penalties,simulation and red cards and whilst of course there will still be controversy and debate, there will not be this furore we have at the present time.

There is also the argument that as in cricket, where an umpire's decision not to award LBW stands if Hawkeye adjudges that a ball would only have just touched the stumps, a degree of elasticity could be introduced in terms of VAR and offsides.

As things stand, VAR is having a negative affect on players and supporters so changes are necessary.VAR is mired in controversy and confusion.

Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2019 10.38am)

But...are you saying that the ' armpit ' incidences would fit into the 98% of the correct calls because I'm not sure it would be humanly possible to identify them. And the rules as they stand, are being applied by VAR. Which is why I think the offside rule needs to be reviewed. It's a nonsense anyway.

I certainly support the notion that VAR is no longer used for offside and only for the other scenarios you mention.

 


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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 30 Dec 19 11.47am Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

But...are you saying that the ' armpit ' incidences would fit into the 98% of the correct calls because I'm not sure it would be humanly possible to identify them. And the rules as they stand, are being applied by VAR. Which is why I think the offside rule needs to be reviewed. It's a nonsense anyway.

I certainly support the notion that VAR is no longer used for offside and only for the other scenarios you mention.

Souness had a good idea.
Any part of the attacking player onside means he is onside.
Simple.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 30 Dec 19 12.15pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

Souness had a good idea.
Any part of the attacking player onside means he is onside.
Simple.

That seems like a good idea.

 

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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 30 Dec 19 12.19pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

Souness had a good idea.
Any part of the attacking player onside means he is onside.
Simple.

Not really ,you are just moving the point of controversy .Until there is 360 coverage and technology that also includes the point at which the ball is played VAR is flawed .

 

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View Slimey Toad's Profile Slimey Toad Flag Karsiyaka, North Cyprus 30 Dec 19 12.26pm Send a Private Message to Slimey Toad Add Slimey Toad as a friend

Originally posted by sickboy

Souness had a good idea.
Any part of the attacking player onside means he is onside.
Simple.

That means a player with one foot behind the line and the other well over is onside. Back to square one with that idea.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 30 Dec 19 1.37pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It should be the upper body or torso, not including head, limbs, hair, finger nails or eye balls. No player plays the offside looking at anything other than the upper body. It’s a complete joke and Liverpool’s title should null and void. To everyone else it will be because of all the favouritism.

I wouldn’t be surprised that years in the future we hear that there was some Liverpool w@nk favouritism and support in the VAR studio.

Bin dippers win the inaugural VAR title.
Couldn't happen to a nicer set of fans.

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 30 Dec 19 1.44pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

It should be the upper body or torso, not including head, limbs, hair, finger nails or eye balls. No player plays the offside looking at anything other than the upper body. It’s a complete joke and Liverpool’s title should null and void. To everyone else it will be because of all the favouritism.

I wouldn’t be surprised that years in the future we hear that there was some Liverpool w@nk favouritism and support in the VAR studio.

Agree with this about the torso. All it requires is that a visible section of torso is offside and if there's any doubt the default is a goal. Just a question of mindset and common sense rather than minute computer generated lines and armpits. Most of the goals that have been ruled out are legit in old money.

I remember John Motson saying he was against goal line technology (a success IMO) because of the Pandora's box it would eventually open (ie VAR) and there aren't many who understand football better than him.

 

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View midlandspalace's Profile midlandspalace Flag kidderminster 30 Dec 19 4.15pm Send a Private Message to midlandspalace Add midlandspalace as a friend

It seems the current use of VAR here may not be what was intended:

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Dec 19 4.26pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by midlandspalace

It seems the current use of VAR here may not be what was intended:

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Thank you for the interesting link.

I have raised the subject of "Clear and obvious" in some of my recent posts, stating that this concept has somehow been sidelined by VAR in this country.
As has of course the use of pitchside monitors.

Edited by Willo (30 Dec 2019 4.27pm)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Online Flag CR3 30 Dec 19 5.06pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Easy answer to this. Scrap offside. With the pace of the current game “goal hangers” would be a liability as play switches direction. It would also open up play because there would effectively be more pitch to defend. More goals guaranteed I reckon, which is never a bad thing.

 

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