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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 26 Jan 20 7.37pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Erling Haland (born in 2000) was 17-18 years old and had 10 goals in 9 matches for Norway at U19 and U18 level.

A little older, Sorloth (born in 1995) was 22 and had 6 goals in 14 matches for Norway U19 and Norway U18 (which one looks better, his or Haaland's goalscoring stat??), 1 goal in 10 matches for Norway U21 and 1 goal in 12 matches for Norway main national team (in a friendly against Iceland).

In January 2018 the Palace board made the decision to sign Alexander Sorloth for 8 million+add-ons.

He had at that time scored 10 goals and assisted 8 times in the Danish league season at the age of 22 in 1450 minutes.

If Palace had waited the year 2018 before making a transfer decision, the board would have seen Haaland do the same thing in the Norwegian league, but at 18 years old: 12 goals and 4 assists in 1500 minutes.

Both players also had 4 goals and 1 assist in the Europa League Qualifiers (Sorloth in 2017, Haaland in 2018 ).

Haaland left to Red Bull Salzburg in January 2019 for 7 million. He continued to score there extraordinarily for his age, 21 goals and 6 assists in 1250 minutes in Austria and 8 goals in the Champions League and has just recently been subject to a 20 million transfer to Borussia Dortmund, where he scored 5 times in his first 50 minutes on the pitch.

He is seen as the best youth prospect for the center forward position in Europe and the 20 million fee was only because Salzburg had agreed a small clause with his agents, not believing that he could prosper so fast so soon. From Borussia, he will only leave for 60 million or more.

Imagine what could have been if the Palace board would have just looked at those youth national team statistics and gotten Haaland instead of Sorloth.....

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View Elpis's Profile Elpis Flag In a pub 26 Jan 20 7.57pm Send a Private Message to Elpis Add Elpis as a friend

Just imagine what would have happened had Sorloth gone to Salzburg ?

Theres a fine line between fishing without catching anything and sitting on a river bank reading a book .

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 26 Jan 20 8.33pm Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by Elpis

Just imagine what would have happened had Sorloth gone to Salzburg ?

Theres a fine line between fishing without catching anything and sitting on a river bank reading a book .

No, it's not a question that Salzburg would have made Sorloth just as good as Haaland or that if Haaland were to have come to Palace, he would have flopped in the PL too.

It's just that there's a difference in value between the 2. Haaland would have made it anywhere. He has been constantly used at levels way above his age. He is still only 19. One could see his quality since his Norway U18 or U19 levels years ago.

It was obvious to a trained mind that the better footballer was the one 4-5 years younger, who was having similar (and even better) achievements during the same time. If Palace was going to invest in a young player willing to be PL substitute (like Sorloth was), it should have gone for Haaland.

Perhaps they believed the Danish league, where Sorloth did well, was better than the Norwegian league, but there really isn't much difference. At national team level, yes, the Danes have achieved much better results, but at domestic league level it's rather similar.

I remember Roy Hodgson saying they had to pay that money for Sorloth "because he's just that good at his age". If that was true for 22 yo Sorloth, what did Roy think about 17-18 year old Haaland, who had better numbers??

 

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View BarEagle's Profile BarEagle Flag Monmouth 26 Jan 20 8.41pm Send a Private Message to BarEagle Add BarEagle as a friend

Originally posted by mattteo

No, it's not a question that Salzburg would have made Sorloth just as good as Haaland or that if Haaland were to have come to Palace, he would have flopped in the PL too.

It's just that there's a difference in value between the 2. Haaland would have made it anywhere. He has been constantly used at levels way above his age. He is still only 19. One could see his quality since his Norway U18 or U19 levels years ago.

It was obvious to a trained mind that the better footballer was the one 4-5 years younger, who was having similar (and even better) achievements during the same time. If Palace was going to invest in a young player willing to be PL substitute (like Sorloth was), it should have gone for Haaland.

Perhaps they believed the Danish league, where Sorloth did well, was better than the Norwegian league, but there really isn't much difference. At national team level, yes, the Danes have achieved much better results, but at domestic league level it's rather similar.

I remember Roy Hodgson saying they had to pay that money for Sorloth "because he's just that good at his age". If that was true for 22 yo Sorloth, what did Roy think about 17-18 year old Haaland, who had better numbers??


Yes, but if my aunty had bollocks she would be my uncle.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 26 Jan 20 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I can see Russia from my house.

 

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View Casual's Profile Casual Flag Orpington 27 Jan 20 6.29am Send a Private Message to Casual Add Casual as a friend

Donít mate. Iím still gutted that we picked the wrong one out of Wickham and Kane. Also Zeki fryers and Danny Rose. Donít get me started on Camarasa and Busquets. Arrrrrrrrrr!!!!!

 

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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag Chelsea 27 Jan 20 7.45am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Itís a fine line picking players. Klopp is undoubtedly up there. Big Sam brought us some quality. Since then, whoever is choosing isnít on your wavelength matteo sadly

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View taylors lovechild's Profile taylors lovechild Flag People's Republic of Gozo 27 Jan 20 7.55am Send a Private Message to taylors lovechild Add taylors lovechild as a friend

Who knows what was discussed at the time, but Haaland's age may have put Palace (and other clubs) off, if we had even looked at him that is. We needed a first-team striker and as you have said elsewhere it is a lot to ask for a young kid to come from a small league and drop straight into a PL team. Sorloth didn't manage it and he was older. We seem to be looking at buying young players with talent for the future now, so maybe someone like Banks will be the fish we caught rather than the one that got away. Every club has there 'what ifs' and given the much bigger scouting networks of clubs like Man Utd and Chelsea it should be more a question of how a player like Haaland slipped through their net, not ours.

 

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View southnorwoodhill's Profile southnorwoodhill Flag 27 Jan 20 8.46am Send a Private Message to southnorwoodhill Add southnorwoodhill as a friend

More realistically, he would have at the very most ended up of the subs bench and got 5 minutes here and there, eventually being loaned out.

 

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View crvenaeagle's Profile crvenaeagle Flag 27 Jan 20 8.52am Send a Private Message to crvenaeagle Add crvenaeagle as a friend

There's a lot of 17 year old who bang them away and then disappear into oblivion later on.

 

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View mattteo's Profile mattteo Flag 27 Jan 20 9.13am Send a Private Message to mattteo Add mattteo as a friend

Originally posted by crvenaeagle

There's a lot of 17 year old who bang them away and then disappear into oblivion later on.

Not really. I mean, yeah, maybe some are ovwrrated at this age, but who scores a tone in international games usually makes it to professional football.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Jan 20 9.51am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by taylors lovechild

Who knows what was discussed at the time, but Haaland's age may have put Palace (and other clubs) off, if we had even looked at him that is. We needed a first-team striker and as you have said elsewhere it is a lot to ask for a young kid to come from a small league and drop straight into a PL team. Sorloth didn't manage it and he was older. We seem to be looking at buying young players with talent for the future now, so maybe someone like Banks will be the fish we caught rather than the one that got away. Every club has there 'what ifs' and given the much bigger scouting networks of clubs like Man Utd and Chelsea it should be more a question of how a player like Haaland slipped through their net, not ours.

Agreed, all the big clubs would like to sign him now so yes we missed him but so did they.

 


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