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Mapletree Croydon 07 Jan 21 9.11pm
Originally posted by Spiderman I wonder if her family will share your sentiments. What, that it’s safer to live in the UK if you want to be a rebel? I doubt it.
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Mapletree

Croydon 07 Jan 21 9.11pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

I wonder if her family will share your sentiments.

What, that it’s safer to live in the UK if you want to be a rebel? I doubt it.

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BlueJay UK 07 Jan 21 9.14pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Correct but I’d add that the echo chambers created by social media have seen this now happen on a grander scale, lockdowns probably don’t help either. It’s exactly the same for a lot of nonsensical wokism and rise of people genuinely believing there is some virtue in identifying as communists. I don’t use any social media platforms but occasionally have a butchers at Twitter. It would appear you need to be some sort of incel and believe either in identifying as Antifa, Communist and ‘progressive’ or a far right conspiracy devotee in order to have an opinion. Of course, everyone who does not agree with you qualifies as the devil and a ducking idiot in either instance. Haha. Exactly right on all counts. I always used to see social media as a bit of fun, but largely opted out after seeing how it changes people and now get to see what a number its done on some. The comfort some appear to feel at becoming a more extreme version of what they already believed in (the jury is in... I was right all along!). They think they're Inspector Morse uncovering all of these hidden truths, whereas in reality they're saddos avoiding connecting with opposing views in a meaningful and good faith way. It's more like crack addicts really looking for that familiar fix from their one dimensional echo chamber; to hurl at their opposites who have suffered the same mental fate. Of course I'd say a good 80% of people aren't interested in any of it, primarily because they have a decent enough cross reference of interactions and people in their lives to counter the unreality of what online echo chambers offer. Twitter is especially bad, as it's ultra short form, zero context, hit and run. People with hundreds of thousands of followers become businesses not wishing to damage their brand, their views becoming less and less nuanced, as they spoon feed their fans what they want. 'Here comes the aeroplane'..
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BlueJay

UK 07 Jan 21 9.14pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Correct but I’d add that the echo chambers created by social media have seen this now happen on a grander scale, lockdowns probably don’t help either.

It’s exactly the same for a lot of nonsensical wokism and rise of people genuinely believing there is some virtue in identifying as communists.

I don’t use any social media platforms but occasionally have a butchers at Twitter. It would appear you need to be some sort of incel and believe either in identifying as Antifa, Communist and ‘progressive’ or a far right conspiracy devotee in order to have an opinion. Of course, everyone who does not agree with you qualifies as the devil and a ducking idiot in either instance.

Haha. Exactly right on all counts. I always used to see social media as a bit of fun, but largely opted out after seeing how it changes people and now get to see what a number its done on some. The comfort some appear to feel at becoming a more extreme version of what they already believed in (the jury is in... I was right all along!). They think they're Inspector Morse uncovering all of these hidden truths, whereas in reality they're saddos avoiding connecting with opposing views in a meaningful and good faith way. It's more like crack addicts really looking for that familiar fix from their one dimensional echo chamber; to hurl at their opposites who have suffered the same mental fate.

Of course I'd say a good 80% of people aren't interested in any of it, primarily because they have a decent enough cross reference of interactions and people in their lives to counter the unreality of what online echo chambers offer. Twitter is especially bad, as it's ultra short form, zero context, hit and run. People with hundreds of thousands of followers become businesses not wishing to damage their brand, their views becoming less and less nuanced, as they spoon feed their fans what they want. 'Here comes the aeroplane'..

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Matov 07 Jan 21 9.42pm
Originally posted by Mapletree What, that it’s safer to live in the UK if you want to be a rebel? I doubt it. To be fair, I suspect UK police might have acted in the same way. You had a mob storming one of the primary political institutions with elected members of the main state body having to hide away from a rampaging crowd intent on breaking through secure doors. But it is still a terrible shame this lady died. What I cannot bear around this is all the hypocrisy. If this had been a BLM mob then the Right would be defending the cop whilst the Left would have been screaming blue murder. But it was the other way around and so the voices are reversed. Personally, I think there are huge questions to be asked around the wider security but lets all perhaps take a step back and look in the mirror and acknowledge that we all play this s***ty game which yesterday had real-world consequences. As I have said, I loathe the fact that people who have spent years trying to over-turn the results of elections be it Brexit or impeaching Trump are now somehow proclaiming themselves as the defenders of democracy but I have enough self-awareness to accept that I am part of the wider problem of systematic distrust and loathing that now exists between essentially the white population of the West. This is a civil war. And yesterday, it became very uncivil. Edited by Matov (07 Jan 2021 9.58pm) "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

07 Jan 21 9.42pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

What, that it’s safer to live in the UK if you want to be a rebel? I doubt it.

To be fair, I suspect UK police might have acted in the same way. You had a mob storming one of the primary political institutions with elected members of the main state body having to hide away from a rampaging crowd intent on breaking through secure doors.

But it is still a terrible shame this lady died.

What I cannot bear around this is all the hypocrisy. If this had been a BLM mob then the Right would be defending the cop whilst the Left would have been screaming blue murder. But it was the other way around and so the voices are reversed.

Personally, I think there are huge questions to be asked around the wider security but lets all perhaps take a step back and look in the mirror and acknowledge that we all play this s***ty game which yesterday had real-world consequences.

As I have said, I loathe the fact that people who have spent years trying to over-turn the results of elections be it Brexit or impeaching Trump are now somehow proclaiming themselves as the defenders of democracy but I have enough self-awareness to accept that I am part of the wider problem of systematic distrust and loathing that now exists between essentially the white population of the West. This is a civil war.

And yesterday, it became very uncivil.

Edited by Matov (07 Jan 2021 9.58pm)

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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jeeagles 07 Jan 21 9.52pm
What's worse? Rioting over a football match or an election result?
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jeeagles

07 Jan 21 9.52pm

What's worse? Rioting over a football match or an election result?

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Jan 21 9.55pm
Originally posted by jeeagles What's worse? Rioting over a football match or an election result? If you are suggesting that the results of an election have equal or even more emotional impact than that of a football match I cannot begin to take you seriously. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 07 Jan 21 9.55pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

What's worse? Rioting over a football match or an election result?

If you are suggesting that the results of an election have equal or even more emotional impact than that of a football match I cannot begin to take you seriously.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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BlueJay UK 07 Jan 21 9.58pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 If you are suggesting that the results of an election have equal or even more emotional impact than that of a football match I cannot begin to take you seriously.
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UK 07 Jan 21 9.58pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

If you are suggesting that the results of an election have equal or even more emotional impact than that of a football match I cannot begin to take you seriously.

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kevlee born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 07 Jan 21 10.10pm
So will Trump last the next 13 days? He is being cast adrift. He will certainly be in the history books. A level History exam in 20 years time “Donald was a f*ing t*” Discuss. Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978
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kevlee

born Wandsworth emigrated to Lanc... 07 Jan 21 10.10pm

So will Trump last the next 13 days? He is being cast adrift.
He will certainly be in the history books. A level History exam in 20 years time “Donald was a f***ing t***” Discuss.

Following Palace since 25 Feb 1978

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Spiderman Horsham 07 Jan 21 10.12pm
Originally posted by Nicholas91 If you are suggesting that the results of an election have equal or even more emotional impact than that of a football match I cannot begin to take you seriously. Football is not a matter of life and death, it is far more important than that..... Bill Shankley
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Spiderman

Horsham 07 Jan 21 10.12pm

Originally posted by Nicholas91

If you are suggesting that the results of an election have equal or even more emotional impact than that of a football match I cannot begin to take you seriously.

Football is not a matter of life and death, it is far more important than that..... Bill Shankley

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Matov 07 Jan 21 10.23pm
Originally posted by kevlee So will Trump last the next 13 days? He is being cast adrift. He will certainly be in the history books. A level History exam in 20 years time “Donald was a f*ing t*” Discuss. Or one of the most successful Presidents of all time? Increasing employment amongst all groups, bringing US troops home, building the US economy, stock market at all-time highs? And with history showing that he was robbed of victory in 2020? This story is not over yet. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

07 Jan 21 10.23pm

Originally posted by kevlee

So will Trump last the next 13 days? He is being cast adrift.
He will certainly be in the history books. A level History exam in 20 years time “Donald was a f***ing t***” Discuss.

Or one of the most successful Presidents of all time? Increasing employment amongst all groups, bringing US troops home, building the US economy, stock market at all-time highs?

And with history showing that he was robbed of victory in 2020?

This story is not over yet.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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jeeagles 07 Jan 21 10.29pm
Originally posted by Matov Or one of the most successful Presidents of all time? Increasing employment amongst all groups, bringing US troops home, building the US economy, stock market at all-time highs? And with history showing that he was robbed of victory in 2020? This story is not over yet. It looks like they might Martyr him soon. He's not even been assistantted. Thats pretty good going.
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jeeagles

07 Jan 21 10.29pm

Originally posted by Matov

Or one of the most successful Presidents of all time? Increasing employment amongst all groups, bringing US troops home, building the US economy, stock market at all-time highs?

And with history showing that he was robbed of victory in 2020?

This story is not over yet.

It looks like they might Martyr him soon.
He's not even been assistantted.

Thats pretty good going.

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 07 Jan 21 10.54pm
Originally posted by kevlee So will Trump last the next 13 days? He is being cast adrift. He will certainly be in the history books. A level History exam in 20 years time “Donald was a f*ing t*” Discuss. You have passed with flying colours kevin, keep it up!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 07 Jan 21 10.54pm

Originally posted by kevlee

So will Trump last the next 13 days? He is being cast adrift.
He will certainly be in the history books. A level History exam in 20 years time “Donald was a f***ing t***” Discuss.

You have passed with flying colours kevin, keep it up!

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croydon proud Any european country i fancy! 07 Jan 21 11.01pm
Originally posted by Matov Or one of the most successful Presidents of all time? Increasing employment amongst all groups, bringing US troops home, building the US economy, stock market at all-time highs? And with history showing that he was robbed of victory in 2020? This story is not over yet. History shows we were robbed of victory in the fa cup final , but it doesn"t change anything, but nobody really believes he was robbed of the election do they? Only if you mean robbed by circumstances, covid I mean, but you have to let this robbed thing go! Sure you are disappointed, but by keeping repeating trump won doesn"t make it true, he lost, move on!
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croydon proud

Any european country i fancy! 07 Jan 21 11.01pm

Originally posted by Matov

Or one of the most successful Presidents of all time? Increasing employment amongst all groups, bringing US troops home, building the US economy, stock market at all-time highs?

And with history showing that he was robbed of victory in 2020?

This story is not over yet.

History shows we were robbed of victory in the fa cup final , but it doesn"t change anything, but nobody really believes he was robbed of the election do they? Only if you mean robbed by circumstances, covid I mean, but you have to let this robbed thing go! Sure you are disappointed, but by keeping repeating trump won doesn"t make it true, he lost, move on!

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