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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 20 11.19am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Do you really think politicians will do anything else? There is the possibility that China are first to develop a vaccine. Would they then donate billions of doses to the world or look to profit from and politicise the situation?

At the moment many, if not most but certainly not all, politicians are behaving very well. Including our own. They do seem to "get it" at the moment.

I expect that as the verification of a vaccine will be carried out by the WHO, prior to general release, that no one country will possess the rights to it, or indeed that there will be just one vaccine

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 16 Apr 20 11.43am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by DanH

Have we explored the option that both the Chinese and US governments are awful?

It's like one global power being led by Simon Jordan and the other global power being led by Mark Goldberg

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 16 Apr 20 11.51am Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by serial thriller

Cool, so you should be fine going into the Coronavirus wing of your local hospital and helping out the doctors then? Obviously with no PPE as the whole thing's a hoax.

Maybe you could comfort the ill by giving them hugs?

Edited by serial thriller (16 Apr 2020 11.19am)

Who said it was a hoax? Why would I purposefully expose myself to a flu virus?

Oh and all this hand clapping for the NHS bulls*** sickens me. Also the disgusting attempt by the Guardian to justify yet more mass immigration off the back of it.

This anti white bulls*** sickens me.

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 Apr 20 11.56am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by W12


Oh and all this hand clapping for the NHS bulls*** sickens me.

In our close of 13 houses there is one nurse (my wife) and one carer.

Last Thursday most of the neighbours were out the front clapping away like mad yet my wife and the carer were both at work so who the hell were they clapping for if not themselves

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 16 Apr 20 12.00pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Has anyone paused to give any thought to the reality of furloughing?

From what I'm reading, it seems very likely that most people who have been furloughed will lose their jobs anyway at the end of the scheme. Especially if you work in the entertainment, physical retail, food and drinks industries. Screwed.

It can't be continued indefinitely, and similarly the longer we go without a vaccine, the more damage is being done psychologically and economically, leading to a far longer recovery period than some are still assuming is possible.

I even think that it could be as high as 50% overall, and much much higher for some industries (as mentioned above).

Delaying rather than solving unemployment IMO

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 16 Apr 20 12.06pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

On average it's the white people helping the "BAME" rather than the other way around especially when you factor in the latter are more likely to be affected (of course that's also somehow white peoples fault).

Yet the white population continues to shrink, the "BAME" continue to grow and arrive at unpredicted rates and the powers that be use the NHS to justify yet more immigration.

Madness.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Apr 20 12.27pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Who said it was a hoax? Why would I purposefully expose myself to a flu virus?

Oh and all this hand clapping for the NHS bulls*** sickens me. Also the disgusting attempt by the Guardian to justify yet more mass immigration off the back of it.

This anti white bulls*** sickens me.

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Ouch. Pretty much my whole block of flats comes out and claps (social distancing) because:

- Most of us feel helpless and want to do something so this is as much for us as for the people we are clapping for.

- Not everybody knows their neighbours so imagine you live in a street where people don't know you work for the NHS. Assuming you are not at work this must lift you knowing that people care. It's also a way of meeting your neighbours.

- It takes less than 5 minutes and most of us have got nothing better to do.


 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 Apr 20 12.29pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Has anyone paused to give any thought to the reality of furloughing?

From what I'm reading, it seems very likely that most people who have been furloughed will lose their jobs anyway at the end of the scheme. Especially if you work in the entertainment, physical retail, food and drinks industries. Screwed.

It can't be continued indefinitely, and similarly the longer we go without a vaccine, the more damage is being done psychologically and economically, leading to a far longer recovery period than some are still assuming is possible.

I even think that it could be as high as 50% overall, and much much higher for some industries (as mentioned above).

Delaying rather than solving unemployment IMO

Perhaps but if we go back to the 1980's the complaint was that too many people lost their jobs in too short a time which devastated whole areas. So perhaps delaying the inevitable may not be as brutal?

Edited by Badger11 (16 Apr 2020 12.29pm)

 


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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 16 Apr 20 12.50pm Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

You're definitely right on the delaying rather than solving unemployment.

I was on a Skype meeting yesterday and none of us on the meeting had had the virus ourselves, and I was the only one who actually knew someone personally who had had it. On a phone call this morning and the same thing....no one had had it, and only one case within a firm of over 50 employees being positive.

Even looking at the statistics every day, shocking as they are, the vast majority of the population have not had it.

So what happens when lockdown is scaled back? Almost by definition we will get a second wave even bigger than the first, which is why I suspect these Nightingale Hospitals are largely lying empty. Time has been bought to deal with what is still to come.

But I don't think many companies are ready for that.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 16 Apr 20 1.01pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

You're definitely right on the delaying rather than solving unemployment.

I was on a Skype meeting yesterday and none of us on the meeting had had the virus ourselves, and I was the only one who actually knew someone personally who had had it. On a phone call this morning and the same thing....no one had had it, and only one case within a firm of over 50 employees being positive.

Even looking at the statistics every day, shocking as they are, the vast majority of the population have not had it.

So what happens when lockdown is scaled back? Almost by definition we will get a second wave even bigger than the first, which is why I suspect these Nightingale Hospitals are largely lying empty. Time has been bought to deal with what is still to come.

But I don't think many companies are ready for that.

Totally agree. Not enough people seem to have a grasp of this as a highly likely scenario

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 16 Apr 20 1.04pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Perhaps but if we go back to the 1980's the complaint was that too many people lost their jobs in too short a time which devastated whole areas. So perhaps delaying the inevitable may not be as brutal?

Edited by Badger11 (16 Apr 2020 12.29pm)

Fair. I'm not saying it's not a good idea, just saying that it will be very interesting to understand how they're going to manage significant amounts of permanent layoffs over time, once the furloughing becomes too expensive, unwieldy or simply impossible to maintain as a system of effectively, artificial employment. The jobs simply won't be there in the short/medium term once this has played out.

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Apr 20 1.16pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Fair. I'm not saying it's not a good idea, just saying that it will be very interesting to understand how they're going to manage significant amounts of permanent layoffs over time, once the furloughing becomes too expensive, unwieldy or simply impossible to maintain as a system of effectively, artificial employment. The jobs simply won't be there in the short/medium term once this has played out.

The 'furlough' scheme is designed to last for three months and the same applies to the 'Mortgage holiday' the 'Self-Employed Support Scheme'.Rishi Sunak has made it very clear that all will be extended if necessary.From that timeframe it would appear that the Treasury has been hoping or expecting or both that the 'lockdown' will wind down from mid-June at the latest.

If it isnít, I doubt very much that the Chancellor will suddenly withdraw life support from the economy but as he has mentioned he cannot save every job and business.
The OBR figures, although not a forecast or prediction are perhaps in the 'Ballpark' of the fall-out that will be the result of this dastardly pandemic.

 

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