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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Apr 20 6.06pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Of course there is another type of fraud affecting the NHS. I know some on here won't want to hear it but it is foreign nationals utilising the NHS when they have no entitlement. I workd on the NHS fraud unit for several year so I do know what I am talking about.
Obviously if a foreign national is involved in an accident whilst on holiday they will be treated on the NHS (now I believe they may try to obtaing costs back).
The best/worst examples to use were women (mainly West African) who concealed the fact that they were heavily pregnant (not difficult when you know how) to travel to the UK. On arrival, if discovered, they would not be able to be removed as they were past the date an airline would accept them... therefore NHS. Then of course you had those suffering from aids related illnesses who travelled from countries who had not treatment. Did I blame them? Absolutely not but should the NHS pay? Absolutely not
Part of my job was to liaise with GPs/hospitals regarding the eligibility of people for NHS treatment, the number who refused to co-operate was staggering, why? I will leave that up to you to decide (but not Data Protection)

I fully understand as I work with immigrants and refugees and see this kind of thing all the time. Whenever I tell people that honestly 90% of 'refugeess' are not at all genuine - I'm called racist. That's because all the hipsters must know better than me. I only work with them everyday of the week.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Apr 20 6.09pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Looks like we are sleepwalking into another great depression. But this time we had a choice. I hope I'm entirely wrong. I remember well how poor we were at times in the past. Thought my kids would never have to live the way I had to but they could even face worse now.

Yep, this one was actually campaigned for.

It's surreal...the reinforcement of hysteria...In my view Government and the media will have a lot to answer for once this is all over.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 19 Apr 20 6.16pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

I fully understand as I work with immigrants and refugees and see this kind of thing all the time. Whenever I tell people that honestly 90% of 'refugeess' are not at all genuine - I'm called racist. That's because all the hipsters must know better than me. I only work with them everyday of the week.

I think this is very close to the truth, not racist at all. Having interviewed hundreds over the years, very few can I say were genuine refugees, sad but true

 

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View Eustace H. Plimsoll's Profile Eustace H. Plimsoll Flag Aldershot 19 Apr 20 6.37pm Send a Private Message to Eustace H. Plimsoll Add Eustace H. Plimsoll as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

As irony would have it, I actually did at the last election, as they were the only ones with a realistic chance of unseating the incumbent arsehole Tory.

Enabler.

(Someone once said something very perceptive about encouraging. I forget who. Definitely not a straighter though.)

 


As a woman, I can step aside, or step up my game...

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 19 Apr 20 6.58pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

How many dead is a good number if we had not locked down. Protect the vulnerable and distancing being the methods.? How many would you think there would have been and would that number be acceptable to prevent the financial issues we may face.

 

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View SavoyTruffle's Profile SavoyTruffle Flag 19 Apr 20 7.27pm Send a Private Message to SavoyTruffle Add SavoyTruffle as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Yes, they must be thick hicks. Imagine still wanting to work and earn money in a country with limited welfare.

Strange, no one implied that but you...

Itís ironic they are out in support of a party that was in favour of cutting that welfare.

I would like them to be in a situation where they can support their families and maintain their health. Not forced into work by bad governance

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Apr 20 8.07pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Strange, no one implied that but you...

Itís ironic they are out in support of a party that was in favour of cutting that welfare.

I would like them to be in a situation where they can support their families and maintain their health. Not forced into work by bad governance

If I was implying anything I would hardly have overtly stated it by typing it out would I? Unless I just didn't understand the proper use of language, which is implying something. You're stating that they are out in support of one party when there could be many different motives involved. Including the one you stated about wanting to support their families.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Apr 20 8.14pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

We haven't got any "dough" now have we? It's all being borrowed.

This crisis is well beyond normal tribal politics, or it really ought to be. Our politicians, in stark contrast to some elsewhere, are actually behaving pretty responsibly and trying to work together. Mistakes will have been made and realised with the benefit of hindsight. As I said a while back the Brexit deadline of 31st Jan turned out to be unfortunate as it took some eyes of the virus ball. That's life. We are all human and get things wrong.

If you watched the Marr programme this morning you would have seen Gove explaining that the PM does not routinely attend Cobra meetings. The minister responsible for the area under review does and chairs them, then reports to the PM. So Johnson wasn't "missing" them at all.

The most interesting interview though was with Prof Sarah Gilbert, who is leading the vaccine trial at Oxford University. She was detailed, straightforward and really positive. Try to watch it if you can. Much to be hopeful about from what she said. I definitely saw a glint of light at the end of the tunnel after hearing her. The trials should start this week and they have already recruited the volunteers. They want the government to start to plan which facilities will need to be diverted to manufacture at scale and to start to recruit and train the staff needed. Not just for us but around the world. This isn't a commercial venture but is 100% based on public health.

(The interview with David Attenborough was also very good, but a different subject).

Iíve just seen Andrew Marr on the Parliament channel. I didnít get round to watching it on iplayer. [Link]

Somehow I missed it this morning. There is just a glint of light at the end of the tunnel so Iíd be crossing all fingers and toes on a vaccine. Plus this could go on for quite a long time. Interview transcript:

[Link]

The guy from the OECD played down a depression and believes itíll be more like a usual recession thatíll last this year, come out of it next year but have some scars to heal in the 2 years after. Something like that. Another economic spokesperson stating governments first responsibility is the lives of its citizens.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Apr 20 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

How many dead is a good number if we had not locked down. Protect the vulnerable and distancing being the methods.? How many would you think there would have been and would that number be acceptable to prevent the financial issues we may face.

I think your personal situation is different just as the elderly should isolate as much as possible.....but outside of that it's not about acceptability it's about how we live.

Why don't we have a speed limit of 25mph? We could reduce traffic deaths by huge amounts.

Life is and has always been about risk and its management....but because we live in the 'Diana' age no one in power is willing to be the adult that spells that out. Instead of being politicians and taking decisions they will hide behind one set of 'expert advice'....craving certainty where none exists.

Some might say....why not just get rid of the politicians then.

The actions we have taken are definitely going to have a severe economic and life impact on the most vulnerable the longer we carry on. That's already going to be baked in now.

Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Apr 2020 8.31pm)

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Apr 20 8.25pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

How many dead is a good number if we had not locked down. Protect the vulnerable and distancing being the methods.? How many would you think there would have been and would that number be acceptable to prevent the financial issues we may face.

I do wonder how much we would have protected the elderly and vulnerable if everyone was at work and school as normal. I still wonder when everyone goes back, although there will be lots of regular local providers of groceries and prescriptions now that can continue. Itís just going to be much more difficult when lots of people go back to work. And donít rely on supermarkets delivering to those who need a delivery. That didnít last longer than a week before they reverted back to delivery slots for anyone lucky enough to get one, and at that point they order 3-4 weeks of cupboard food and booze, compared to the more likely small shop by many of the elderly and vulnerable, apart from of course the big wine drinking baby boomers and big families with a child during treatment or a low immune system. Twitter is full of people bragging or envious of people booking a delivery slot after all the supermarkets have done is politely ask customers to go to the shop and leave the delivery slots for those who need them.

No, I do not believe the elderly and vulnerable would have been protected without a lockdown and many people have needed the lockdown to get some grasp of social distancing. Some still donít get it or are bored of it. Thatís mainly teenagers but they arenít alone on this.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 19 Apr 20 8.55pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

I do wonder how much we would have protected the elderly and vulnerable if everyone was at work and school as normal. I still wonder when everyone goes back, although there will be lots of regular local providers of groceries and prescriptions now that can continue. Itís just going to be much more difficult when lots of people go back to work. And donít rely on supermarkets delivering to those who need a delivery. That didnít last longer than a week before they reverted back to delivery slots for anyone lucky enough to get one, and at that point they order 3-4 weeks of cupboard food and booze, compared to the more likely small shop by many of the elderly and vulnerable, apart from of course the big wine drinking baby boomers and big families with a child during treatment or a low immune system. Twitter is full of people bragging or envious of people booking a delivery slot after all the supermarkets have done is politely ask customers to go to the shop and leave the delivery slots for those who need them.

No, I do not believe the elderly and vulnerable would have been protected without a lockdown and many people have needed the lockdown to get some grasp of social distancing. Some still donít get it or are bored of it. Thatís mainly teenagers but they arenít alone on this.

Psychology will play a part short to mid term. Awareness is going to stick for most with distancing etc.

 

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