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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 20 12.05pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Perhaps. But the general point stands, and the irony of that is inescapable. If it's not a caravan it will be a dorm. Can't see it making much difference to the average British workers motivation

I would also be interested to know the fallout in terms of prices and more importantly viability of enterprise but the rose tinted simplicity of some on here of 'just get british workers to do it and it will all be fine' is ridiculous

Why should anyone have to take accommodation with a job? It is the supermarkets that take virtually all of the profit and set the price artificially low competing against each other. Itís unnecessary. As the farmers take such a small cut you couldíve looking at a 2 pence price increase.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 20 12.07pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Is anyone even surprised at this point?

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The whole thing is becoming so corrupt from different parties and angles we need to get back to normal life apart from the vulnerable.

 


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 22 May 20 12.47pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There's a difference here between environments that contain confined spaces....as in care homes and a ship comprised of young men working together, also in confined spaces, than the general population.

When the results come back from testing done in states and regions I don't think I've seen an infection rate above New York's that was in the twenties I think.

Primarily I'm trying to convey that, since Levitt used the fact that only 20% of the most vulnerable people tested positive on a cruise ship as central to his thesis, there being a ship where 50% of fit and healthy younger people tested positive does not support that view. An argument about how and how many people are asymptomatic might be better, or what is different about the immune response in younger compared to older, because it appears very likely that the majority of people are at least able to contract covid-19.

A rate of 20% in New York is already high really. Not everyone will have come into contact with the virus yet plus social distancing measures have kept the number down. It seems unlikely that the rest of the population is immune.


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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 22 May 20 12.54pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Can you really see that happening as you only have to look at the photographs of people crowding on to the beaches yesterday to see that far too many couldn't care less

I must admit I was taken aback by those beach scene in Southend. But then again at many other beaches and parks people were far more sensible. Broadly I would wager that people act in line with perceived risk. That's good in one way, but there is of course a big lag from infection to hospital admission to death, and so people won't really be able to appropriately judge risk levels anyway. Anything we see is always about 15-20 days behind the reality. If I was 70 plus I'd definitely keep a low profile in the coming months.


 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 22 May 20 12.58pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

This test with a 20 minute result if it works will be very useful. If it's a goer then it really will depend on our ability to take one for the team if results on ourselves come back positive. Maybe a certain legality on either isolation and/ or reporting a positive test needs adding.

Yes this would be a real game changer. Tragically too late to unwind what has happened in almost 50% of care homes, but likely a god send for the rest of them, and for hospitals and other at risk environments. Then hopefully available for the rest of us. A really positive development.

We're in a needs must situation so I'm hopeful that we'll see other advances like improved treatments over the coming months. Too late for many unfortunately and for part of the economic hit, but welcome all the same.


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 20 1.59pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I must admit I was taken aback by those beach scene in Southend. But then again at many other beaches and parks people were far more sensible. Broadly I would wager that people act in line with perceived risk. That's good in one way, but there is of course a big lag from infection to hospital admission to death, and so people won't really be able to appropriately judge risk levels anyway. Anything we see is always about 15-20 days behind the reality. If I was 70 plus I'd definitely keep a low profile in the coming months.


So would I keep a low profile, for a while.

More was made of those beach photos in Southend and Bournemouth. Taken at a higher angle they werenít close to each other. And for a week the reported new cases have been extremely low. There is of course the argument that more people will then come, but those beaches are very long and I doubt anyone has seen a crowded English beach resort where you canít avoid people for decades.

Unfortunately the vulnerable canít enjoy any of this if they want to minimise their risk but thatís how it is. Some will argue that people should stay in so itíll be safe for the vulnerable sooner. But that has flaws. Itíll mean no immunity built up in the community and it isnít just about lefties pointing the finger at people sunbathing unnecessarily. Thereís businesses that rely on seasonal trade, if they can adapt to no seating or sitting indoors.

 


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Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Is anyone even surprised at this point?

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Unfortunately the answer is no, nothing suprises me with the CONS, but i heard this a few weeks ago, so suprised anyone believed the numbers since!

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 22 May 20 2.43pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

So would I keep a low profile, for a while.

More was made of those beach photos in Southend and Bournemouth. Taken at a higher angle they werenít close to each other. And for a week the reported new cases have been extremely low. There is of course the argument that more people will then come, but those beaches are very long and I doubt anyone has seen a crowded English beach resort where you canít avoid people for decades.

Unfortunately the vulnerable canít enjoy any of this if they want to minimise their risk but thatís how it is. Some will argue that people should stay in so itíll be safe for the vulnerable sooner. But that has flaws. Itíll mean no immunity built up in the community and it isnít just about lefties pointing the finger at people sunbathing unnecessarily. Thereís businesses that rely on seasonal trade, if they can adapt to no seating or sitting indoors.

Yes, to an extent it is what it is. For the sake of both health and the economy, it's a good thing that those in the most vulnerable groups are most often not economically active. That at least provides an option to many of the most vulnerable that most others do not have.

I appreciate the sentiment behind the government's we're all in this together message, but it obscures the reality that people should make decisions for themselves that are relative to their risk. Not doing so creates as many, if not more, problems than it solves.


 

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Stanford study says 42% of US job losses will result in permanent job loss.

Only some of roughly 36 million jobs lost since the beginning of the lockdowns designed to protect hospitals from surging cases of COVID-19 patients are not coming back in a V-shaped or a U-shaped recover. The University of Chicago estimates that 42% of the recent layoffs will result in permanent job losses.

ďWe find three new hires for every 10 layoffs caused by the shock and estimate that 42% of recent layoffs will result in permanent job loss,Ē writes Jose Maria Barrero, Nick Bloom and Steven Davis from the Becker Friedman Institute at the University of Chicago in a working paper titled ďCOVID-19 As A Reallocation ShockĒ published on May 5 [Link]

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 22 May 20 7.56pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Itíll be worse in America, just like the Ďcredit crunchí and people living in caravans. The U.K. will be like the early Ď80s again, only the music will be shyte and the emptying football grounds will be all seated.

Quite sobering that things can get so sh1t unexpectedly. Be grateful your own life is good and it hasnít been ruined by the fvckers unwilling to step out out of this earlier because itíll look like theyíve made an error or two. The error Iím thinking of is the extended furlough to end of October with some tapering in July and August.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 23 May 20 12.29am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

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Dominic Cummings in trouble.

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Online Flag SW2 23 May 20 12.48am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Should have to resign. Especially after Neil Ferguson. But he wonít. And people wonít really care. Nothing sticks to this lot somehow, itís like people take them being despicable w*nkers as part of the parcel.

 


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