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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Jul 20 6.27pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

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Make these people live in cramped s***ty conditions, this is what happens. Werenít they also exempt from testing on arrival?

Report on BBC, these workers were living 4 to a room, where is Maple to defend this?
They then report 3 workers have left the farm! Where the f*** have they gone?

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 13 Jul 20 6.32pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Report on BBC, these workers were living 4 to a room, where is Maple to defend this?
They then report 3 workers have left the farm! Where the f*** have they gone?

Probably coughing their way up and down the aisles of a local supermarket

Edited by BlueJay (13 Jul 2020 6.33pm)

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

Report on BBC, these workers were living 4 to a room, where is Maple to defend this?
They then report 3 workers have left the farm! Where the f*** have they gone?

Got a better job offer in Leicester.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 13 Jul 20 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Probably coughing their way up and down the aisles of a local supermarket

Edited by BlueJay (13 Jul 2020 6.33pm)

Funnily enough all the workers are well known in the local town as that is where they do their shopping

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 13 Jul 20 7.33pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Funnily enough all the workers are well known in the local town as that is where they do their shopping

Uh oh!

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Jul 20 9.12pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Probably coughing their way up and down the aisles of a local supermarket

Edited by BlueJay (13 Jul 2020 6.33pm)

Going the wrong way to annoy jumped up gimps.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 13 Jul 20 9.31pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay


There is growing evidence that mask wearing actual makes a significant difference. If we're looking to help the economy and reduce the potential burden on the healthcare system, we should take basic steps that help keep the infection rate low. Countries that have this best under control are not arguing over masks, they are wearing them.

Florida is at 15,000 known cases per day, god knows how many actual.. and a high number of full critical care wards. That will increase the death rate considerably. Once you're at 15k a day, even if people are careful it's incredibly difficult to get the number down without further lockdowns, and who wants that? Better to take steps to keep the number low and let it rumble along at that level, that way businesses have a fighting chance and if people need to be hopsitalised they can be. Doing our bit now is preferable to saying how stupid it all is, then being outraged when there's no hospital bed available if you or a loved one become ill.

But yes BoJo wearing one is largely symbolic. He's already had bad case of covid-19 so is unlikely to be able to get it again any time soon. He's wearing one because of the attitudes towards wearing them and for the sake of improving public health. Here's 70 mask studies for your reading list: [Link]

and a recent one: [Link]

"We do know social distancing reduces the risk of transmitting the virus by 90 percent, and wearing masks decreases the risk by 65 percent."

Implying that masks make things worse has no basis in reality. I wasn't overly in favour of a wear masks in shops mandate, but at least it would put a lot of this stuff to bed and serve a purpose. It looks like Boris will end up have to nanny the public on this one.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Jul 2020 3.51pm)

Wrong. They said months ago cloth coverings keep in 18% of particles. Now itís 3-33%. These could be bought on amazon, eBay, a pair of pants or tie off your wrapped round your face or a scarf you tie up and then pull loose so you can breathe. Thereís no science or consistency with these face coverings. They arenít masks. People arenít going to wear them and I donít know why people convince themselves they will. This isnít Japan or Korea.

The problem in Florida might be to do with tourism. Disney is open. If youíre importing the virus then the waves that died out like in the north of England wonít be able to in Florida. The fear of this dreaded 2nd wave hasnít lasted in Arizona. Itís dropping. And anyway, these are healthy people being infected and building up immunity, which is what is going to happen or have to happen unless you want restricted life or lockdowns as theyíre called until a vaccine some time next year or never. Well they are only healthy people being infected unless the old and vulnerable are chancing it. Moreover itís deaths that are important, not healthy people being infected with mild sickness or asymptomatic even. But infections is the new buzz word, after save the nhs, save lives, stay alert (try not to go within 2 metres of someone when itís mouth vapour thatís the issue), to the R number, to prevent anybody getting sick.

It took a long time for people to wake up to this but eventually many have, helped along by boredom, furlough ending and the prospect of unemployment and house repossession. Itís only the holier than thou work at home and public sector workers who think theyíre above people who are able to intelligently work it out for themselves without needing to live by instructions week to week. I know of some who literally wonít do anything until the government indicate they can go in someoneís garden in get 1 metre to someone rather than 2, when the whole time the government are making most of it up. I admit I fell for this crap to begin with but it was always supposed to be short term so that there werenít hospitals full of people on ventilators. Now I read thatís a worry again. Not for me. Fvcking bullsh1t. The vulnerable stay safe. Everyone else, believe it if youíre a f&nny flap.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 13 Jul 20 10.09pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Report on BBC, these workers were living 4 to a room, where is Maple to defend this?
They then report 3 workers have left the farm! Where the f*** have they gone?

Why do you need me to defend it?

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 13 Jul 20 11.22pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Wrong. They said months ago cloth coverings keep in 18% of particles. Now itís 3-33%.

Who's 'they'? You would benefit from reading the body of research that's out there about masks. Make mistakes for yourself, not at other peoples expense.

In any case, our opinions are both irrelevant from the 26th July. You can complain about masks to your hearts content while you're wearing one [Link]

Edited by BlueJay (13 Jul 2020 11.24pm)

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The problem in Florida might be to do with tourism. Disney is open.

It opened two days ago didn't it? As for immunity, we have no idea how long that lasts. Some recent research suggests it might be short lived, which would limit the effectiveness of herd immunity, but immunity is complicated and multifactorial so the jury is out. Hopefully it lasts years in which case we might see the back of it. The very best approach in the presence of several unknowns is to take sensible steps that are thought to keep the spread down and to avoid high numbers to begin with. Good hygiene, mask wearing in busy settings where it's viable - public transport, shops - and so on. That's how you keep businesses open and that's how you save lives of people deserving of our consideration in the process.


Edited by BlueJay (14 Jul 2020 2.15am)

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 14 Jul 20 12.54am Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Going the wrong way to annoy jumped up gimps.

If someone is maskless, coughing their way around a supermarket and knows they have covid-19 they are the gimps and before long they'll likely be getting dragged out of the place.


Edited by BlueJay (14 Jul 2020 1.05am)

 

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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 14 Jul 20 6.42am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

That's it free petrol, I won't wear a mask so what a shame I won't be allowed in after I have filled up

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 14 Jul 20 6.49am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Why do you need me to defend it?

You previously seemed to suggest there was nothing wrong with the conditions these workers lived in, indeed your daughter spent a summer doing similar work.
The answer to my question is ď no-one knows where they are, including the one who tested positive.


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