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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Barnard Castle 25 Mar 20 4.11pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Like we haven't suffered enough...

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Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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View Willo's Profile Willo Online Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Mar 20 4.16pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

That works both ways.
Willo will explain why I'm sure

To my miniscule behind, both "Existing" and "Not Existing" can be used in this context.

The club was still in operation so it was "Existing" and it's existence was threatened.The club could have gone out of existence, accordingly "Not Existing" was applicable.


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 25 Mar 20 4.24pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

To my miniscule behind, both "Existing" and "Not Existing" can be used in this context.

The club was still in operation so it was "Existing" and it's existence was threatened.The club could have gone out of existence, accordingly "Not Existing" was applicable.


Told ya

Edited by Willo (25 Mar 2020 4.21pm)

 

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View palace_in_frogland's Profile palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 25 Mar 20 4.45pm Send a Private Message to palace_in_frogland Add palace_in_frogland as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

To my miniscule behind, both "Existing" and "Not Existing" can be used in this context.

The club was still in operation so it was "Existing" and it's existence was threatened.The club could have gone out of existence, accordingly "Not Existing" was applicable.

Edited by Willo (25 Mar 2020 4.21pm)

In that context existing is ok, but extant would be better.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Barnard Castle 25 Mar 20 4.52pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Prince Charles is self-isolating at Balmoral with Covid-19

Prince Andrew is self-isolating at Windsor with Jennifer-16

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 25 Mar 20 5.18pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

you CAN'T be in danger of existing ffs

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 25 Mar 20 5.29pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

you CAN'T be in danger of existing ffs

You have obviously never worked in the financial sector.

I think we take your point but how Wilo phrased it was fine anyway.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2020 5.33pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 25 Mar 20 5.34pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by ex hibitionist

you CAN'T be in danger of existing ffs

You can if you support certain teams.

 

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Prince Charles is self-isolating at Balmoral with Covid-19

Prince Andrew is self-isolating at Windsor with Jennifer-16

Very good.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You have made a couple of assumptions here which mean you haven't really understood my position....Well, at least not in respect to 'herd immunity'.

Firstly I've never supported the 'herd immunity' phrase as it's a very reductionist description of what occurs.

However it's central message was that we have to live with this disease until we cure it. We have done this with all previous diseases. This central point is just common sense and it'll be true for the next pandemic that turns up.....which perhaps might not be as infrequent as we had become use to.

Your projections don't take account of the fact that infections rates are very different in first world countries that have taken different courses.

Regardless destroying the world economy as a response to solve a pandemic, which is nothing like the black death (if it were I'd support this response), whereas the average death age of this virus is in the late seventies. I view the overtly alarmist response as just that..

I have never suggested that measures shouldn't be in place in response to this virus. I'm just not supporting an economic lockdown.

My position is also the position of many other countries. Let's not forget that increasing the unemployment rate also increases deaths as a consequence. The argument that the cure is worst than the disease is one that needs to be had.

In our earlier exchanges I referred you to the different death rates in other countries and put forward reasons why that was. I would have hoped that this would have shifted your thought process as how best to tackle this but apparently you only wanted to obsess on the homogeneous points.....which while I agree with aren't going to make any difference in how we tackle this.

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I'll state again, Japan isn't in lockdown. It has implemented sensible protective measures but it isn't self harming its economy and encouraging workers not to work.

Again, I'll make the relevant points. Japan is far far closer to China than us or Europe.

Japan has around fifty million more people than the UK. It has Tokyo, a far more densely populated capital city than most in the world including London.....People still working.

Japan has 43 deaths and 865 active cases.
The UK has 433 deaths and 7,659 active cases.

The UK is doing relatively better than most other European countries and yet we have 121 cases per million compared to Japan's 9 cases per million.

The responses of first world countries will be similar while they retain health response capacity. The real underlying reasons for these variations are given in the original video I linked you to......cultural behaviour....hygiene levels around people.

This is the changes that require implementation not lockdowns.....which will not only damage the western economy but prove ineffective once lockdowns have ended unless these requirements have been put in place.

The Chinese responded to threats to its health service by building temporary hospitals. This was an intelligent response and while I don't believe that fully teched up equivalents can be implemented here for several reasons we most definitely could expand upon our health service and invest in it much more over this period and indeed that's what is being done.....Probably knowing that when they release the brakes they need that capacity.

If I detailed what I think should have been implemented as a response that differed then this post would be far longer but the video on Japan details common practice there which I would make compulsory here.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Mar 2020 3.10pm)

I havenít made any assumptions about your personal position at all, I was responding to where you had literally defended Dominic Cummings plan and said someone was wrong for stating our hospitals would be overwhelmed if we had followed the governments initial model. All the information I provided was from the initial model they were using, they switched up their position when they realised the death rate was much higher than the pulmonary influenza which they had initially based the model on.

Your position is obviously more nuanced, although I would say if the British public are struggling to do social distancing of 2m I donít have much hope in them changing generations of cultural habits to those similar to the Japanese in a matter of days.

It looks as the America will be following the ĎLetís not let the cure be worse than the diseaseí line, so when the dust settles we will see what the best strategy was, thatís assuming Trump doesnít climb down as a result of pressure himself,

As for the first sentence, donít get puritanical on me now when your laughing about paedo jokes above. Which might I add is a very funny joke.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 25 Mar 20 6.47pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Very good.

16 is legal in the uk.
The one I saw was jennifer 14.

 

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Prince Charles is self-isolating at Balmoral with Covid-19

Prince Andrew is self-isolating at Windsor with Jennifer-16

And her younger sister!

 

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