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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 May 20 11.00am Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

I am not swayed by party politics, I just think the system is inherently flawed. (that doesn't make me a communist, either)

What I would like to see is more accountability from MP's and politicians.
They voted themselves an over-inflation payrise in March 2020, with considerable additional office expenses.

Just for starters, I would suggest.

* MP's be put on time-sheets so the electorate know how much time they are spending on constituency or parliamentary work.

* Disclosure of fees paid to 'Scientific Advisors', ..or in fact any of the various 'Advisors'.

 


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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 15 May 20 1.31pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

You can't believe anything these days. Especially on an internet football forum.

Who who have thought thought, people telling lies on social media ? or in politics.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 May 20 1.44pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I am not swayed by party politics, I just think the system is inherently flawed. (that doesn't make me a communist, either)

What I would like to see is more accountability from MP's and politicians.
They voted themselves an over-inflation payrise in March 2020, with considerable additional office expenses.

Just for starters, I would suggest.

* MP's be put on time-sheets so the electorate know how much time they are spending on constituency or parliamentary work.

* Disclosure of fees paid to 'Scientific Advisors', ..or in fact any of the various 'Advisors'.

They could start with a proper job description after all the rest of us have one something like:

- Minimum number of hours doing constituency work
- Minimum number of hours doing Parliamentary work
- Minimum number of constituency meetings
- They should provide a quarterly update to their constituents what they achieved in the last quarter and what they expect to achieve in the next quarter.

The rest of us have a proper job description against which we are assessed and paid accordingly. I don't see why this doesn't apply to them as well.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 15 May 20 3.10pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes.

I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document.

Then, when after 12 months what was promised is not delivered - a new election. As someone else said, we have measured things to do, targets to meet, and if we don't do it - we soon hear about it, or even just get the boot.

The other thing that Westminster needs is some kind of proportional representation, so that the number of votes a party gets - would give them some representation. Mathematically: it is possible in the current system to get the most votes overall but actually have no seats at all! Seems mad, but if you finished second in most constituencies - that is exactly what could happen. As a caveat to that, the seats generally mirror the amount of votes; but this scenario could change in the current political climes.

 


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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 15 May 20 3.30pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes.

I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document.

Then, when after 12 months what was promised is not delivered - a new election. As someone else said, we have measured things to do, targets to meet, and if we don't do it - we soon hear about it, or even just get the boot.

The other thing that Westminster needs is some kind of proportional representation, so that the number of votes a party gets - would give them some representation. Mathematically: it is possible in the current system to get the most votes overall but actually have no seats at all! Seems mad, but if you finished second in most constituencies - that is exactly what could happen. As a caveat to that, the seats generally mirror the amount of votes; but this scenario could change in the current political climes.

There was the Labour pledge last year, it was to the women born in the 50's who lost a when the retirement ages shifted for state pension - and that was after the manifesto was issued.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 15 May 20 7.24pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

85k plus expenses and every forum thinks they can do more hours and a better job. I wouldn't want the permanent abuse ,whichever colour flag you fly.
You do know 200k isnt really a bundle. For me and you guys maybe but the bigger picture is it isnt a lot for the responsibility and more serious accountability they have. Shove it, i will stick to my salary and struggle through without looking over mine or my whole families shoulder 24/7.

 

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View YT's Profile YT Flag Oxford 15 May 20 8.04pm Send a Private Message to YT Add YT as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

One thing that bothers me is lies in the manifesto. Some are downright fabricated just to get votes.

I think I've said it before but how about they are only allowed to put measured and timed actual targets into the manifesto? - making it a real document.

Then, when after 12 months what was promised is not delivered - a new election. As someone else said, we have measured things to do, targets to meet, and if we don't do it - we soon hear about it, or even just get the boot.

The other thing that Westminster needs is some kind of proportional representation, so that the number of votes a party gets - would give them some representation. Mathematically: it is possible in the current system to get the most votes overall but actually have no seats at all! Seems mad, but if you finished second in most constituencies - that is exactly what could happen. As a caveat to that, the seats generally mirror the amount of votes; but this scenario could change in the current political climes.

So MPs are just like footballers then. They keep their job for a fixed period no matter how crap they are.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 16 May 20 6.05am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by YT

So MPs are just like footballers then. They keep their job for a fixed period no matter how crap they are.

That's every work place if you think about it.
Hard to get rid now.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 16 May 20 7.19am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

85k plus expenses and every forum thinks they can do more hours and a better job.

There are a few on this forum that seem to think that they would do a better job with one in particular knowing far more than anyone in government, science or medicine judging by his comments.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 16 May 20 7.30am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

85k plus expenses and every forum thinks they can do more hours and a better job. I wouldn't want the permanent abuse ,whichever colour flag you fly.
You do know 200k isnt really a bundle. For me and you guys maybe but the bigger picture is it isnt a lot for the responsibility and more serious accountability they have. Shove it, i will stick to my salary and struggle through without looking over mine or my whole families shoulder 24/7.

How do you judge if an MP is doing a good job when they don't have a detailed job description. I'm not saying I could do a better job but it would be nice if we could benchmark them against some form of a standard after all we are their employers.

 


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View DanH's Profile DanH Online Flag SW2 16 May 20 8.55am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

They donít do it for the money. They do it for the power and their ego. A handful do it because they want to serve the public.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 16 May 20 9.31am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

How do you judge if an MP is doing a good job when they don't have a detailed job description. I'm not saying I could do a better job but it would be nice if we could benchmark them against some form of a standard after all we are their employers.

You cant benchmark success when the public are your accountability. There is always one idiot.

 

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