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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 02 Jun 20 5.55am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Lucretius

Yeah, I think this is right. Centrism offers nothing when it comes nationalism and culture wars. And if the Tories continue to use nationalism as a Trojan Horse with which to smuggle in and further their economic agenda, then Starmer's going to struggle.

This idea, though, of a battle between democratic and authoritarian systems - how democratic are we? Every 5 years we get a choice between basically two parties. I mean, if you went to a restaurant and there were only two dishes on the menu, you'd walk out. But when it comes to how we're governed and how we live, that's all we get. And often they're not really that different.

Healthy democracies, in which the people do genuinely feel empowered, wouldn't lead to the gilets jaunes movement in France or the current uprisings in the US or the consistently low voter turnouts in this country.

This country isn't ruled by the people. It's ruled by the establishment. An oligarchy dressed up as a democracy.

And the other way is?

 

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View Lucretius's Profile Lucretius Flag 02 Jun 20 9.10am Send a Private Message to Lucretius Add Lucretius as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

And the other way is?

It's a good question. And it's important we don't shy away from highlighting difficult problems just because there might not be easy answers.

The belief that there are no alternatives is a kind of servitude. It's the establishment winning.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 20 9.17am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Lucretius

Yeah, I think this is right. Centrism offers nothing when it comes nationalism and culture wars. And if the Tories continue to use nationalism as a Trojan Horse with which to smuggle in and further their economic agenda, then Starmer's going to struggle.

This idea, though, of a battle between democratic and authoritarian systems - how democratic are we? Every 5 years we get a choice between basically two parties. I mean, if you went to a restaurant and there were only two dishes on the menu, you'd walk out. But when it comes to how we're governed and how we live, that's all we get. And often they're not really that different.

Healthy democracies, in which the people do genuinely feel empowered, wouldn't lead to the gilets jaunes movement in France or the current uprisings in the US or the consistently low voter turnouts in this country.

This country isn't ruled by the people. It's ruled by the establishment. An oligarchy dressed up as a democracy.

An incisive post.

Even the lockdown has kind of shown us all just how willing many of the current population has been to live under a more authoritarian system..

The willingness to 'spy and tell' on neighbours and brown nose to the authorities.

Like Cryrst says, what's the alternative? Personally, I think British society in general is heading more towards the Scandinavian models, whether that's appropriate, for a country with this population size we will find out.

Economic meltdown would change that of course but while I think we are going to suffer economic consequences from this pandemic I don't see a meltdown here because our institutions are stable (for another twenty/thirty years anyway).

The EU on the other hand is under huge strain.....When that Italian debt mountain comes calling it's going to be Greece 2.0.....and it'll be curious how they can handle that.

I think the safe investment money will always run to the 'five eyes' economies and those stable Asian countries outside China.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2020 9.19am)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 06 Jun 20 12.00pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

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What a bellend piers morgan is. How many hypocrites do you think we can fit in the exel hospital.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 06 Jun 20 12.39pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

How this cvnt stays on tv o whatís supposed to be a type of news programme is a complete mystery. But itís itv for morons so not really surprising.

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View m/k mick's Profile m/k mick Flag milton keynes 06 Jun 20 1.06pm Send a Private Message to m/k mick Add m/k mick as a friend

I wonder how many people at the protests taking place today re, george floyd, wanted Cummings sacked, for ignoring advice, bunch of hypocrites, bet its the majority, snowflakes, and as i have said before why? Are they not protesting about China, and its treatment of Tibetans, Muslims, Hong Kong, and generally their own people, again lefty hypocrisy

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 20 1.25pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

How this cvnt stays on tv o whatís supposed to be a type of news programme is a complete mystery. But itís itv for morons so not really surprising.

Seconded.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 20 1.26pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by m/k mick

I wonder how many people at the protests taking place today re, george floyd, wanted Cummings sacked, for ignoring advice, bunch of hypocrites, bet its the majority, snowflakes, and as i have said before why? Are they not protesting about China, and its treatment of Tibetans, Muslims, Hong Kong, and generally their own people, again lefty hypocrisy

Yep, it's all about control.....and they are furious that Johnson didn't bend the knee.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 06 Jun 20 4.45pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by m/k mick

I wonder how many people at the protests taking place today re, george floyd, wanted Cummings sacked, for ignoring advice, bunch of hypocrites, bet its the majority, snowflakes, and as i have said before why? Are they not protesting about China, and its treatment of Tibetans, Muslims, Hong Kong, and generally their own people, again lefty hypocrisy

15000 in Manchester it seems - utterly mad in my view.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 06 Jun 20 5.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by chris123

15000 in Manchester it seems - utterly mad in my view.

March - stay home idiot because science
April - no Easter selfish moron itís science
May - Millions lose jobs, but suck it up it's science
June - protesting is ok because feelings

It's all frigging nuts.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 06 Jun 20 6.26pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

So Cummings Parents spare cottage on their farm, was all just an illusion, or a breach of Planning.

It's almost like The Press have given up exposing Cummings web of lies, because he's already been massively revealed as a liar.

Cummings obviously has a shield of steel. With Cv-19 on a knife-edge, it might be BJ who goes first, but that won't be soon.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 06 Jun 20 6.50pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

So Cummings Parents spare cottage on their farm, was all just an illusion, or a breach of Planning.

It's almost like The Press have given up exposing Cummings web of lies, because he's already been massively revealed as a liar.

Cummings obviously has a shield of steel. With Cv-19 on a knife-edge, it might be BJ who goes first, but that won't be soon.

So hes the real reason for the riots and bashing people up. Clearly has more power than Gandalf the grey.

 

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