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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 11 Jun 20 8.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

yep, it was in the training manual. And Derek Chauvin was the senior (training) officer of the group.

Just a moot point, but restraint on the neck was largely unnecessary, as the suspect was already 'cuffed, and on the floor.

As long as Chauvin is alive, i hope he is extremely fearful for his life/safety, to the utter detriment of any possible hope of a few seconds of enjoyment.

I agree it was a wholly inappropriate restraint.

I regard it as manslaughter myself, though I'm open to the idea that if he knew him and there was animosity it could be 2nd degree.....then again, what do I know, I thought that OJ knifed two people to death.

As we know It really comes down to who sits on the jury.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 11 Jun 20 8.35pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by kennybrowns leftfoot

Wow really?? I never knew that... Quite unbelievable really... We certainly never had that method in the Met Police training manual

Yep, I was surprised myself.

 

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View kennybrowns leftfoot's Profile kennybrowns leftfoot Flag Moved Again.. Banstead now Darling... 11 Jun 20 8.39pm Send a Private Message to kennybrowns leftfoot Add kennybrowns leftfoot as a friend

I'm not sure on the US judicial system but certainly here we have guidelines that affect a trial with regard to a suspect being given a fair trial due to media reporting...

If its the same over there then naturally this could cause issues.

 


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View Romford-Eagle's Profile Romford-Eagle Flag Romford 11 Jun 20 11.56pm Send a Private Message to Romford-Eagle Add Romford-Eagle as a friend

I believe to be charged with 2nd degree murder, you have to prove it was premeditated, I doubt they could prove that the officer deliberately went out to kill him.

 

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Originally posted by Romford-Eagle

I believe to be charged with 2nd degree murder, you have to prove it was premeditated, I doubt they could prove that the officer deliberately went out to kill him.

From what I read I was under the impression that 2nd degree murder is committed if its not deliberate or premeditated.. I may of read it wrong though..

 


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Originally posted by Romford-Eagle

I believe to be charged with 2nd degree murder, you have to prove it was premeditated, I doubt they could prove that the officer deliberately went out to kill him.

I think first is premeditated murder. I think second is kind of the opportunity presented itself stuff and you decided to murder....a crime of passion is second.

I think they should have stuck with third....but hey, it's all about that jury.

If the authorities and lawyers want him convicted they can set it up like that.....it's been done before and it'll be done that way again.

I think he's guilty of third myself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jun 2020 12.12am)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Jun 20 6.58am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

The prosecutors need to get the charge correct. If they charge him with the wrong crime and the jury is fair minded he will get off.

I don't know the various definitions but colloquially I would charge him with manslaughter. I do not believe he deliberately set out to kill him but his actions were reckless and led to his death.

 


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View stuckinbristol's Profile stuckinbristol Flag In the woodwork. 12 Jun 20 10.40am Send a Private Message to stuckinbristol Add stuckinbristol as a friend

Surely if that restraint is in the manual, he has a good defence.
The people who wrote the manual are to blame?
Like corporate manslaughter?

I know nothing of the law here, or in America!

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 12 Jun 20 11.28am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by stuckinbristol

Surely if that restraint is in the manual, he has a good defence.
The people who wrote the manual are to blame?
Like corporate manslaughter?

I know nothing of the law here, or in America!

Yup which is why I favour manslaughter. There should have been a common sense point at which he realised that this chap was straggling to breath and bugger the manual.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Yup which is why I favour manslaughter. There should have been a common sense point at which he realised that this chap was straggling to breath and bugger the manual.

8 years then.

 

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View Harpo's Profile Harpo Flag Oxfordshire 19 Jun 20 9.37am Send a Private Message to Harpo Add Harpo as a friend

If he walks free, two things;
a) there will be riots throughout America like we haven't seen before, and b) Chauvin will take a bullet.
Simple.

 

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