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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Jun 20 6.50am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

Of course itís symbolic, itís not a demand. Heís saying if you canít do this one little thing right now how are you going to be able to really give up your power/influence/privilege further down the line? You get a lot of new people coming to the movement but not really knowing how to participate, this is just a tool to help them along the way. Participating in horizontal groups can be a bit daunting, of course the onus will be on the people who have traditionally had the privilege to give some of it up. It also works the other way for people who are not traditionally used to being listened to.

Of course it is a demand. The speaker tells them that if they do not then they are not part of this bright new future. And how he has an eye on all of them. It is beyond sinister.

And it is not a tool. The notion of white people giving up their wealth, on a variety of levels, is at the very heart of what BLM is about.

I have a grudging respect for how forthright they are about this. Can respect the honesty. Rather refreshing in these times of spin. But it seems you are struggling with that. Cannot actually believe what these people are saying. Maybe even unable?

I suspect a lot of Soc.Libs are perhaps becoming a little uncomfortable with BLM. That suddenly these POC's are perhaps showing a tad too much desire to be leading their 'struggle' as opposed to allowing all those caring white faces to shelter them under the umbrella of their loving patronage. Perhaps starting to think a little too much for themselves now rather than just accepting without question what you think is good for them?

Suspect the Establishment backlash against them will come primarily from the Left. After all, a POC who can stand on their own two feet and think for themselves is not one who will show the correct amount of gratitude towards their white saviours.

Maybe it might be your symbolic windows that will soon be shattering under the impact of their metaphorical rocks?

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 16 Jun 20 7.38am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

Last I heard the proportion of the UK population who identify as black was around 4 percent. I think youíre ok for a few more weeks you nervous little racist you &#128521;.

Damn right I'm nervous. Wrong word wrong sentence.
I might be unconsciously racist but so can anyone.
You actually prove what blm is about. No conversation to the negative of its perceived
( probably more than perceived but I will give them a little credit) aims. You call me racist because I wont agree with that. Identify as black you say, isnt that the whole problem from all of us in that case. For the record this area was Chaz.

 

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View berlinpalace's Profile berlinpalace Flag berlin 16 Jun 20 8.53am Send a Private Message to berlinpalace Add berlinpalace as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

Of course it is a demand. The speaker tells them that if they do not then they are not part of this bright new future. And how he has an eye on all of them. It is beyond sinister.

And it is not a tool. The notion of white people giving up their wealth, on a variety of levels, is at the very heart of what BLM is about.

I have a grudging respect for how forthright they are about this. Can respect the honesty. Rather refreshing in these times of spin. But it seems you are struggling with that. Cannot actually believe what these people are saying. Maybe even unable?

I suspect a lot of Soc.Libs are perhaps becoming a little uncomfortable with BLM. That suddenly these POC's are perhaps showing a tad too much desire to be leading their 'struggle' as opposed to allowing all those caring white faces to shelter them under the umbrella of their loving patronage. Perhaps starting to think a little too much for themselves now rather than just accepting without question what you think is good for them?

Suspect the Establishment backlash against them will come primarily from the Left. After all, a POC who can stand on their own two feet and think for themselves is not one who will show the correct amount of gratitude towards their white saviours.

Maybe it might be your symbolic windows that will soon be shattering under the impact of their metaphorical rocks?

Maybe English isnít your first language but you can tell by the tone of his voice that itís not a demand, nothing sinister about it. Yes, if they canít give up this one little thing then how will they cope with the bigger stuff? This is similar to a team building exercise. You need to see the incident in context and in this case your interpretation is just plain wrong.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Jun 20 9.05am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

Maybe English isnít your first language but you can tell by the tone of his voice that itís not a demand, nothing sinister about it. Yes, if they canít give up this one little thing then how will they cope with the bigger stuff? This is similar to a team building exercise. You need to see the incident in context and in this case your interpretation is just plain wrong.

LOL. And I mean that literally. Priceless.

'team building exercise'. You have made my day. Thank you. Have a huge grin on my face now. Absolutely wonderful!

 

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View berlinpalace's Profile berlinpalace Flag berlin 16 Jun 20 10.34am Send a Private Message to berlinpalace Add berlinpalace as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

LOL. And I mean that literally. Priceless.

'team building exercise'. You have made my day. Thank you. Have a huge grin on my face now. Absolutely wonderful!

Glad to hear that.
But this does tie into your earlier point that there are people who say they are liberal but still have trouble letting go, thatís what the guy is getting at. Anyone can say they support the cause, what heís saying is Ďok, letís see you back that up, here, out in the open.í Itís about commitment and trust.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 16 Jun 20 10.41am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

Maybe English isnít your first language but you can tell by the tone of his voice that itís not a demand, nothing sinister about it. Yes, if they canít give up this one little thing then how will they cope with the bigger stuff? This is similar to a team building exercise. You need to see the incident in context and in this case your interpretation is just plain wrong.


You can't speak for this guy.

What is recorded is that he asked people for money based upon their race: It's as plain as day.

You want to put a touchy feely spin on it. My advice to any foolish white liberal there is to get out while they can....then again, if they are Antifa if that's what they want to do, I guess they are in the right place.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Jun 2020 10.42am)

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 16 Jun 20 10.52am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by berlinpalace

But this does tie into your earlier point that there are people who say they are liberal but still have trouble letting go, thatís what the guy is getting at. Anyone can say they support the cause, what heís saying is Ďok, letís see you back that up, here, out in the open.í Itís about commitment and trust.


Its about submitting. Bending the knee. Now that is fine, those are the conditions that BLM is setting for its white allies. If you want to frame is as 'commitment and trust' then fine but don't delude yourself about what is going on there. This is about a white majority transferring wealth and power to a black minority.

BLM is not a joint effort. Definitely not the glorified Coca-Cola soft focus advert like ambition many Soc.libs have.

I suspect you, and a lot of others, are just beginning to wake up to that. Obviously not going to admit it, just yet, but a matter of time.

Maybe we are all being played? Certainly have not discounted that possibility but as things stand, BLM see you as a useful idiot.

First, bend the knee. Then take your wallet out and start paying out. Feels like a shakedown to me.


 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 16 Jun 20 11.11am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Matov


Its about submitting. Bending the knee. Now that is fine, those are the conditions that BLM is setting for its white allies. If you want to frame is as 'commitment and trust' then fine but don't delude yourself about what is going on there. This is about a white majority transferring wealth and power to a black minority.

BLM is not a joint effort. Definitely not the glorified Coca-Cola soft focus advert like ambition many Soc.libs have.

I suspect you, and a lot of others, are just beginning to wake up to that. Obviously not going to admit it, just yet, but a matter of time.

Maybe we are all being played? Certainly have not discounted that possibility but as things stand, BLM see you as a useful idiot.

First, bend the knee. Then take your wallet out and start paying out. Feels like a shakedown to me.


Maybe stop and search soon. The irony in that eh

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 16 Jun 20 11.21am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Maybe stop and search soon. The irony in that eh

I am fully supportive of 'Stop and search' and the Police should certainly not feel inhibited by the colour of skin.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 16 Jun 20 11.24am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Maybe stop and search soon. The irony in that eh

Maybe BLM and the black community can do this one little thing to show they care. Do their bit. Take one for the team. You know, like a team bonding exercise lol.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 16 Jun 20 11.56am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I am fully supportive of 'Stop and search' and the Police should certainly not feel inhibited by the colour of skin.

Exactly willo. But blm want it stopped for black people either without reason or totally. without reason meaning what in reality. One wonders how many black lives have been saved by stop and search what with the prevalence of knife attacks black on black. Maybe the figures need publishing to show it does work. Alternatively stop searching black people and wait for the cries of you dont care about blacks. Damned if you do and all that.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 24 Jun 20 9.26am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

So mayor jenny Durkan is sending the police back in to end this free love zone. Clearly trump didnt take the bait. Rescinded her free love statement.
I hope if this kicks off that she backs the police or maybe a setup to pile more hatred into peoples minds.

 

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