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Originally posted by Badger11

Sure I have no real knowledge of the process for large projects but it just seems to take years. We should be able to have a fair process and an appeal process that is streamlined. I assume the planning system has evolved over the years to meet the legal requirements e.g. environmental impact however that doesn't mean to comply with the law that you have to do it the current way and no other.

I noticed when we applied for planning permission for the stadium two people who lived in Scotland complained. Their objections should not carry the same weight as say a person who lives next door to the ground.

I may be wrong on this point but I was told that some protestors (who are part of a group) demand an individual hearing to slow the whole process down. The common-sense approach would be for the Chair to say I will hear from one representative from each protest group e.g. Friends Of the Earth.

Edited by Badger11 (30 Jun 2020 1.48pm)

I've been out of it for some years now and there may be a town planner on the forum, so hopefully he would correct me, however you can have written representations and verbal representations. A lot is dependent upon what your interest in the project is and who you represent. Parish Councils and the like have a lot of sway over planning decisions and some "interest" groups will apply pressure to be heard at an appeal hearing. The man on the street can definitely have his say on planning issues. It doesn't mean they will be taken into account as you get plenty of crackpots, but the opportunity is there.

There is a general presumption in favour of sustainable development in Planning provided it doesn't fall foul of Local planning Policies but you also sometimes have contradictions between local policies and national policies. It is indeed a complicated world.

I haven't really spent much time looking at the Palace submission but I would imagine the advisors would have spent considerable time getting the local planning officers on board and getting the improved ground into the approved Local Plan for the Selhurst area.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

No reasonable person would agree that austerity was necessary.

Basically you are saying, if the roof is leaking we won't fix it to save money.

What sort of economic policy is that, it is only deferring the inevitable.

Has Johnson become a compassionate caring human being after his brush with death.

He must have realised that the NHS saved his life and was given to us by the post-war socialist Attlee government.

We won't he holding our breath.


I don't think austerity is a nice thing but I'm still waiting for the alternative to make the money back that labour lost.

 

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Originally posted by Cpfc1861

I don't think austerity is a nice thing but I'm still waiting for the alternative to make the money back that labour lost.

Michael Gove, Conservative party chief whip, speaking on BBC Radio 4ís World at One.

First, and it is important to state this, the Labour government was not responsible for the 2008 recession. The recession was caused by the housing bubble bursting in the US which led to subsequent financial crises in other countries.

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Michael Gove, Conservative party chief whip, speaking on BBC Radio 4ís World at One.

First, and it is important to state this, the Labour government was not responsible for the 2008 recession. The recession was caused by the housing bubble bursting in the US which led to subsequent financial crises in other countries.

Welcome back Steeleye.

Are you really going to tell us how great Labour are for the next decade?

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Michael Gove, Conservative party chief whip, speaking on BBC Radio 4ís World at One.

First, and it is important to state this, the Labour government was not responsible for the 2008 recession. The recession was caused by the housing bubble bursting in the US which led to subsequent financial crises in other countries.

Correct. However Labour were responsible for running up debt prior to the crisis which severely restricted the ability of the government to deal with the crisis.

If you spend all your money on buying a swimming pool for the kids you options are limited when you discover the roof is leaking.


 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Correct. However Labour were responsible for running up debt prior to the crisis which severely restricted the ability of the government to deal with the crisis.

If you spend all your money on buying a swimming pool for the kids you options are limited when you discover the roof is leaking.


Not so Labour did not over-spend or run up a lot of debt.

But its late and I can't go looking it up again.

So have a moral victory.


 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Welcome back Steeleye.

Are you really going to tell us how great Labour are for the next decade?

If the present trend continues we don't need labour as Johnson is doing it anyway.....

When a national emergency comes along only socialist policies work.

I am looking forward to the Johnson 5 year plan followed by the great leap forward.

 

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There is some worth in stating, for the benefit of correct history that four years before the NHS was created, the Conservative-led coalition published a 1944 white paper calling for a 'free' and 'comprehensive' healthcare service.

Indeed, the biggest block against the creation of the NHS were Doctors who voted against the service's introduction.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jun 2020 9.38pm)

 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

If the present trend continues we don't need labour as Johnson is doing it anyway.....

When a national emergency comes along only socialist policies work.

I am looking forward to the Johnson 5 year plan followed by the great leap forward.

When there is not national emergencies it dont work and creates issues this is why the middle is the correct place to be so you can accept both. However Brown selling all our gold did result in even worst post recession britain.

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is some worth in stating, for the benefit of correct history that four years before the NHS was created, the Conservative-led coalition published a 1944 white paper calling for a 'free' and 'comprehensive' healthcare service.

Indeed, the biggest block against the creation of the NHS were Doctors who voted against the service's introduction.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jun 2020 9.38pm)

Churchill's tories opposed the Attlee governments founding of the NHS at all stages in parliament, voting against it 21 times.

They blocked it all the way and the Doctors too.


 

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Originally posted by steeleye20

Churchill's tories opposed the Attlee governments founding of the NHS at all stages in parliament, voting against it 21 times.

They blocked it all the way and the Doctors too.

That's not because of the concept of a free service but instead more along the lines of how the NHS would be structured....well the Tory paper suggests that, I can't speak for what the Doctors' thought other than how they voted.

The Tories wanted independent providers, in some senses similar to what you have now whereas Labour wanted a nationalised centralised service.

The reality was that whoever would have been in power a free health service was going to be implemented at some point.....The Tories could have got rid of it in the fifties if they had been that ideologically opposed.

It was hardly a brand new concept and versions of it had already existed in parts of Europe.


Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Jul 2020 7.15am)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is some worth in stating, for the benefit of correct history that four years before the NHS was created, the Conservative-led coalition published a 1944 white paper calling for a 'free' and 'comprehensive' healthcare service.

Indeed, the biggest block against the creation of the NHS were Doctors who voted against the service's introduction.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Jun 2020 9.38pm)

To be fair I believe the Labour party pushed for the Beveridge report and that Churchill allowed this to go ahead as the price of coalition government.

I have just been reading up on this and I was surprised that the NHS had a lot more cross party support that I imagined. This alludes to your comments above.

"Conservative MP and Health Minister, Henry Willink later advanced this notion of a National Health Service in 1944 with his consultative White Paper "

But Labour got it done.

Edited by Badger11 (01 Jul 2020 7.29am)

 


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