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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 19 Jul 20 4.28pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Palace are a mediocre mid table Premier club and that is the reality of the zenith of what can be achieved with the current finances.
Ten years ago that seemed like a pipe dream, but some fans get bored and expect us to play free flowing football and challenging for Europe. In my 50 odd years of supporting Palace there have only been about 2 or 3 seasons when we achieved that 78-79 and 90-91 spring to mind, the rest we grind out results with the occasional top 6 scalp.
Staying in the Premier is the limit of our realistic ambitions, unless a billionaire steps forward and has no concern about throwing money away, there are very few of them about.

Agree with you, I can go back, to the early fifties, bit fuzzy at times as a kid . Thatís how it goes. In all that time we have never had real dough to throw around, quiet well off but never able to get near even the London, big boys, the fact we are nearer to them now than ever
still hasnít levelled things out.
Always proud, but always realistic. The club must stay that way as well. Many on here seem to think we can steer away from grinding out results , for our survival in this division. Thatís never true in any division unless you have one of the best squads in that division. And that always costs , even if in wages alone.
We are nowhere near one of the best squads to be playing freely in this league . Get used to it or try somewhere else I,d say ,because this is Palace , and we still have to watch the purse.

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Jul 20 7.45pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

For the statisticians out there.
If we lose the remaining two games this season will Hodgson the first miracle worker to preside over 8 consecutive defeats?

Not even close.

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I also found this link.

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So we do already have the record of longest goalless streak.

Edited by Tim Gypsy Hill '64 (19 Jul 2020 8.55pm)

 


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View i8clowntown's Profile i8clowntown Flag sunny essex 19 Jul 20 7.58pm Send a Private Message to i8clowntown Add i8clowntown as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Palace are a mediocre mid table Premier club and that is the reality of the zenith of what can be achieved with the current finances.
Ten years ago that seemed like a pipe dream, but some fans get bored and expect us to play free flowing football and challenging for Europe. In my 50 odd years of supporting Palace there have only been about 2 or 3 seasons when we achieved that 78-79 and 90-91 spring to mind, the rest we grind out results with the occasional top 6 scalp.
Staying in the Premier is the limit of our realistic ambitions, unless a billionaire steps forward and has no concern about throwing money away, there are very few of them about.


Absolutely spot on

 


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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 19 Jul 20 8.13pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

Agree with you, I can go back, to the early fifties, bit fuzzy at times as a kid . Thatís how it goes. In all that time we have never had real dough to throw around, quiet well off but never able to get near even the London, big boys, the fact we are nearer to them now than ever
still hasnít levelled things out.
Always proud, but always realistic. The club must stay that way as well. Many on here seem to think we can steer away from grinding out results , for our survival in this division. Thatís never true in any division unless you have one of the best squads in that division. And that always costs , even if in wages alone.
We are nowhere near one of the best squads to be playing freely in this league . Get used to it or try somewhere else I,d say ,because this is Palace , and we still have to watch the purse.

Yehmun!

 

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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 19 Jul 20 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

Originally posted by Painter

Palace are a mediocre mid table Premier club and that is the reality of the zenith of what can be achieved with the current finances.
Ten years ago that seemed like a pipe dream, but some fans get bored and expect us to play free flowing football and challenging for Europe. In my 50 odd years of supporting Palace there have only been about 2 or 3 seasons when we achieved that 78-79 and 90-91 spring to mind, the rest we grind out results with the occasional top 6 scalp.
Staying in the Premier is the limit of our realistic ambitions, unless a billionaire steps forward and has no concern about throwing money away, there are very few of them about.

I don't disagree with the realistic expectations. However, I think people (including myself) is that unless there is some decent investment during summer then being a mediocre mid-table team next season is a pipe dream.
Yes, Roy has done extremely well this season to keep us in the PL, but the signs are there his miracle work with very limited resources are coming to an end.

 

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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 19 Jul 20 8.50pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

If you have been a supporter for 5 months or 50 years, is irrelevant.

You don't go against your DNA, just to stay in the league.

The majority of fans are not asking or expecting free flowing football, majority of fans are not expecting top 7 finishes.

The majority of upset fans are asking to see youth come through - it's not happening. Players that fit and work the system with a manager that has a plan b - it's not happening.

The club adhering to a budget - it's not happening.

If palace finished 15th every season, with one youth player breaking into the team each year. With one player moving on to bigger things being replaced by a younger player with potential.. with a scouting network providing us with reasonable signings that compliment the squad, that ultimately get their money back - that's the goal, surely?

No Wickham's, no Benteke, no Sako's - knowing when to sell the likes of Zaha and PVA, with younger lads breaking through.. that's what we want to see.

A club comfortable in the league, the squad being used and playing with passion, for the badge... it's academy working well, the scouts doing well, the manager with a clear aim.... that should be goal.

Like others have said... a billion has past through our club, if went down next season, what would ti have acheived, our 9 years in the prem?

Everton have been a may stay, in the prem - producing some talent - Rooney, Dunne, Jeffers etc - yes, they spent big to break into Europe - that's the difference, if they didn't, would they have still been around the same mid table positions, I believe so.

Our goal, each season should be to get to 40 points in record time, no less and to enjoy the cup runs. It's that simple.

You don't need to break the bank to do that, but you do need a good infrastructure in place.

 


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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 19 Jul 20 9.11pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

If you have been a supporter for 5 months or 50 years, is irrelevant.

You don't go against your DNA, just to stay in the league.

The majority of fans are not asking or expecting free flowing football, majority of fans are not expecting top 7 finishes.

The majority of upset fans are asking to see youth come through - it's not happening. Players that fit and work the system with a manager that has a plan b - it's not happening.

The club adhering to a budget - it's not happening.

If palace finished 15th every season, with one youth player breaking into the team each year. With one player moving on to bigger things being replaced by a younger player with potential.. with a scouting network providing us with reasonable signings that compliment the squad, that ultimately get their money back - that's the goal, surely?

No Wickham's, no Benteke, no Sako's - knowing when to sell the likes of Zaha and PVA, with younger lads breaking through.. that's what we want to see.

A club comfortable in the league, the squad being used and playing with passion, for the badge... it's academy working well, the scouts doing well, the manager with a clear aim.... that should be goal.

Like others have said... a billion has past through our club, if went down next season, what would ti have acheived, our 9 years in the prem?

Everton have been a may stay, in the prem - producing some talent - Rooney, Dunne, Jeffers etc - yes, they spent big to break into Europe - that's the difference, if they didn't, would they have still been around the same mid table positions, I believe so.

Our goal, each season should be to get to 40 points in record time, no less and to enjoy the cup runs. It's that simple.

You don't need to break the bank to do that, but you do need a good infrastructure in place.

Regards to youth coming through, and Everton producing talent, we have only this month achieved Category 1 academy status. We will now compete with other Premier league clubs. Maybe, just maybe, previously the better prospects would have rather joined a Cat 1 academy, and now we might be able to attract better prospects. Now we might unearth another Zaha or Wan Bisaka.

 


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View Vaibow's Profile Vaibow Flag vancouver/croydon 19 Jul 20 9.25pm Send a Private Message to Vaibow Add Vaibow as a friend

Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64

Regards to youth coming through, and Everton producing talent, we have only this month achieved Category 1 academy status. We will now compete with other Premier league clubs. Maybe, just maybe, previously the better prospects would have rather joined a Cat 1 academy, and now we might be able to attract better prospects. Now we might unearth another Zaha or Wan Bisaka.

Which we did without category 1 status???

 


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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 20 Jul 20 1.11pm Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

Whilst I admire the club putting money into academy for Cat 1 status, is it really going to work ?

If a big club come calling then having Cat 1 status may not matter at all, they will choose the big club.

Look at Jaden Raymond, had it been the likes of Chelsea or Liverpool after him instead of Leeds and the Portugese side, would he have decided on Palace ?

 

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View iheartcpfc's Profile iheartcpfc Flag SE25 20 Jul 20 4.08pm Send a Private Message to iheartcpfc Add iheartcpfc as a friend

Originally posted by SwordFish

Sheff UTD are a one season wonder and will be in a relegation battle next year mark my words

this was all I needed to read to know I should have closed the tab

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 20 Jul 20 4.55pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

Whilst I admire the club putting money into academy for Cat 1 status, is it really going to work ?

If a big club come calling then having Cat 1 status may not matter at all, they will choose the big club.

Look at Jaden Raymond, had it been the likes of Chelsea or Liverpool after him instead of Leeds and the Portugese side, would he have decided on Palace ?

I disagree, I think at Chelsea or Arsenal for example these kids now realise (or at least their parents do) that they'll be stock piled and will have to battle through dozens of fellow talents for the starting position and or have to be loaned out all over Europe for years. They'll look at Wilf, AWB, Victor Moses, Clinton Morrison, Hayden Mullins, even the potential of Jon Bostock and think do you know what? If my boy is good enough and has the right attitude he'll get his chance.

 

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View Tim Gypsy Hill '64's Profile Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Flag Stoke sub normal 20 Jul 20 10.43pm Send a Private Message to Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Add Tim Gypsy Hill '64 as a friend

Originally posted by Vaibow

Which we did without category 1 status???

I know! Amazing! Two in eight years! Exemplary work.

 


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