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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 28 Jul 20 6.27pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I think you will find it is the press that have been banging on about Roy being at odds with Parish over the type of players to sign. It is little wonder there is confusion amongst our supporters. I think its probably best to wait see what happens in the few weeks. We havent got long to wait so might as well save up all the fire and brimstone posts until it can be seen how we managed to screw up this transfer window! Hoping to be proven wrong btw.


Understandable given our past record. HOWEVER, I am quietly confident that this time it will be different. I don't expect us to splash significant sums but 2/3 more youngsters and a more substantial signing (i.e. costing up to 20m) and if Wilf goes we might even get a second substantial one.

Of course, it's always dangerous to say "this time it will be different"!


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Originally posted by doombear


Understandable given our past record. HOWEVER, I am quietly confident that this time it will be different. I don't expect us to splash significant sums but 2/3 more youngsters and a more substantial signing (i.e. costing up to 20m) and if Wilf goes we might even get a second substantial one.

Of course, it's always dangerous to say "this time it will be different"!


Edited by doombear (28 Jul 2020 6.28pm)

I hope you are right, we need it.

 

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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 28 Jul 20 6.49pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

I think the idea of playing the youngsters needs to put into perspective and reality.

Each place in the Prem is worth about 2 million. So would people rather play youngsters at the club who as others have pointed out do not have a very good track record even at their level for yhe sake of playing them. Or would you rather say gain two places and spend the 4 million (compensation) for Nathan Ferguson?

 

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Originally posted by Mwncisee

I think the idea of playing the youngsters needs to put into perspective and reality.

Each place in the Prem is worth about 2 million. So would people rather play youngsters at the club who as others have pointed out do not have a very good track record even at their level for yhe sake of playing them. Or would you rather say gain two places and spend the 4 million (compensation) for Nathan Ferguson?

Exactly correct!

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 29 Jul 20 2.06pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Just read a statistic that indicated that Palace are the first club who have failed to score more than two goals in a game during a season and still avoid being relegated.
The Hodgson fans will see this as evidence that hes doing a good job to avoid relegation with the paucity of attacking options.
His critics will point to his defensive tactics and tactical rigidity as the reason for lack of goals and will say hes unlikely to be able manage a similar feat of staying up next season if he employs similar tactics resulting in an equal lack of goals.
Guess it goes to show you can prove anything you want with statistics.

 

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Originally posted by PatrickA

Just read a statistic that indicated that Palace are the first club who have failed to score more than two goals in a game during a season and still avoid being relegated.
The Hodgson fans will see this as evidence that hes doing a good job to avoid relegation with the paucity of attacking options.
His critics will point to his defensive tactics and tactical rigidity as the reason for lack of goals and will say hes unlikely to be able manage a similar feat of staying up next season if he employs similar tactics resulting in an equal lack of goals.
Guess it goes to show you can prove anything you want with statistics.


That's always been the case. Here are a couple more:
-as against our paltry 31 goals in the league this season, we scored 45 in 2017/18 and 51 in 2018/19, all under Roy. What does that tell us? It will depend on which side of the Roy Hodgson fence you choose to sit. Last, season, of course, most of those goals came away from home, when we scored 3 goals or more in no fewer than SIX games, winning five of them (Citeh, Liverpool, Leicester, Burnley, Arsenal and Cardiff). We also, of course, scored 5 in our final home game.

So what does all this tell us? I will leave that to others since as I've said on several occasions I'm neither pro nor anti Roy, just mad about Palace and wanting the best for the club.

Edited by doombear (29 Jul 2020 3.09pm)

 

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View EddieMac's Profile EddieMac Flag 29 Jul 20 3.32pm Send a Private Message to EddieMac Add EddieMac as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


That's always been the case. Here are a couple more:
-as against our paltry 31 goals in the league this season, we scored 45 in 2017/18 and 51 in 2018/19, all under Roy. What does that tell us? It will depend on which side of the Roy Hodgson fence you choose to sit. Last, season, of course, most of those goals came away from home, when we scored 3 goals or more in no fewer than SIX games, winning five of them (Citeh, Liverpool, Leicester, Burnley, Arsenal and Cardiff). We also, of course, scored 5 in our final home game.

So what does all this tell us? I will leave that to others since as I've said on several occasions I'm neither pro nor anti Roy, just mad about Palace and wanting the best for the club.

Edited by doombear (29 Jul 2020 3.09pm)

Good post

 

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View Mwncisee's Profile Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 29 Jul 20 3.42pm Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Just read a statistic that indicated that Palace are the first club who have failed to score more than two goals in a game during a season and still avoid being relegated.
The Hodgson fans will see this as evidence that hes doing a good job to avoid relegation with the paucity of attacking options.
His critics will point to his defensive tactics and tactical rigidity as the reason for lack of goals and will say hes unlikely to be able manage a similar feat of staying up next season if he employs similar tactics resulting in an equal lack of goals.
Guess it goes to show you can prove anything you want with statistics.

'There's lies, damned lies and statistics'

Humans are emotional creatures. We tend to make an emotional decision and then try to find facts to back up our decisions to make ourselves feel better. This was very much the case for both sides of the Brexit debate.

Edited by Mwncisee (29 Jul 2020 3.42pm)

 

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Originally posted by PatrickA

Just read a statistic that indicated that Palace are the first club who have failed to score more than two goals in a game during a season and still avoid being relegated.
The Hodgson fans will see this as evidence that hes doing a good job to avoid relegation with the paucity of attacking options.
His critics will point to his defensive tactics and tactical rigidity as the reason for lack of goals and will say hes unlikely to be able manage a similar feat of staying up next season if he employs similar tactics resulting in an equal lack of goals.
Guess it goes to show you can prove anything you want with statistics.

You do not need statistics to tell you that we have not had a decent striker for the last three years!

 

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Originally posted by doombear


That's always been the case. Here are a couple more:
-as against our paltry 31 goals in the league this season, we scored 45 in 2017/18 and 51 in 2018/19, all under Roy. What does that tell us? It will depend on which side of the Roy Hodgson fence you choose to sit. Last, season, of course, most of those goals came away from home, when we scored 3 goals or more in no fewer than SIX games, winning five of them (Citeh, Liverpool, Leicester, Burnley, Arsenal and Cardiff). We also, of course, scored 5 in our final home game.

So what does all this tell us? I will leave that to others since as I've said on several occasions I'm neither pro nor anti Roy, just mad about Palace and wanting the best for the club.

Edited by doombear (29 Jul 2020 3.09pm)

We're all in the same boat I think. People can argue the toss either way but at the end of the day we all want what's best for the club.

 

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View cpj's Profile cpj Flag Kent 29 Jul 20 6.26pm Send a Private Message to cpj Add cpj as a friend

Originally posted by doombear


That's always been the case. Here are a couple more:
-as against our paltry 31 goals in the league this season, we scored 45 in 2017/18 and 51 in 2018/19, all under Roy. What does that tell us? It will depend on which side of the Roy Hodgson fence you choose to sit. Last, season, of course, most of those goals came away from home, when we scored 3 goals or more in no fewer than SIX games, winning five of them (Citeh, Liverpool, Leicester, Burnley, Arsenal and Cardiff). We also, of course, scored 5 in our final home game.

So what does all this tell us? I will leave that to others since as I've said on several occasions I'm neither pro nor anti Roy, just mad about Palace and wanting the best for the club.

Edited by doombear (29 Jul 2020 3.09pm)

A big difference was that we had about 9 less pens this season - mainly due to Zaha not taking on defenders and just passing the ball backwards most of the time.

 

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