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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 25 Jul 20 6.56am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yep, and you know who gave her the job......Amber Rudd.

The Tories don't put conservatives at the head of these organisations.....They say one thing to their voters and do another.

I thought he was talking about Sadiq Khan?

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud

Ah,ok, more to it then.

I think so, unbelievable that you have to give jurors extra protection

 

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Originally posted by rob1969


Life for manslaughter most unlikely.
Reckon they’ll get 8-10 and probably out in half that !



One pleaded guilty so will get reduced sentence

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

I thought he was talking about Sadiq Khan?

Well, there you go....I see the word, 'Dick' and my thoughts are turned to its worst connotation.

Edited by Stirlingsays (25 Jul 2020 8.16am)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, there you go....I see the word, 'Dick' and my thoughts are turned to it's worst connotation.

Haha not sure Dick is an appropriate name for her! but I know what you mean

Edited by Spiderman (25 Jul 2020 9.19am)

 

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 25 Jul 20 9.59am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

Sometimes the Police/CPS will opt to go for a manslaughter charge over a murder one. It is usually done to make a conviction more likely.

I would imagine here because there was no proof linking one person to an act that killed this poor policeman, had the trial been for murder there was a possibility that it could not be proved and everyone got off. Manslaughter however much it seems unjust ensured these people will do some time.

I don't agree with this BTW a hard working public servant lost his life doing his job. It is no consolation to those left behind either but better something than a failed murder charge (as without new evidence they could not be tried again for the same offence.)

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 25 Jul 20 10.17am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by orpingtoneagle

Sometimes the Police/CPS will opt to go for a manslaughter charge over a murder one. It is usually done to make a conviction more likely.

I would imagine here because there was no proof linking one person to an act that killed this poor policeman, had the trial been for murder there was a possibility that it could not be proved and everyone got off. Manslaughter however much it seems unjust ensured these people will do some time.

I don't agree with this BTW a hard working public servant lost his life doing his job. It is no consolation to those left behind either but better something than a failed murder charge (as without new evidence they could not be tried again for the same offence.)

Thanks for this very informative. From the reports on local news I was of the opinion that the Jury found them not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter.
They would have known he was being dragged along and could have stopped, to me that is knowingly injuring someone, but I understand what you mean.
Even our local tv seemed outraged about the verdict despite in involving a “minority” group


 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 25 Jul 20 10.27am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Thanks for this very informative. From the reports on local news I was of the opinion that the Jury found them not guilty of murder but guilty of manslaughter.
They would have known he was being dragged along and could have stopped, to me that is knowingly injuring someone, but I understand what you mean.
Even our local tv seemed outraged about the verdict despite in involving a “minority” group


Does look like they went for murder:

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View orpingtoneagle's Profile orpingtoneagle Flag Orpington 25 Jul 20 11.28am Send a Private Message to orpingtoneagle Add orpingtoneagle as a friend

So in this case looks like the jury had two options. To convict of murder - possibly higher bar - or manslaughter where it was more certain to get a conviction.

As I said no comfort for the family but now in the hands of a judge to send them down for a long time.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jul 20 11.52am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

I am quite happy for them to be guilty of manslaughter as murder implies premeditation. In fact they can be guilty of being a shopping trolley for all I care what matters is the sentence they get.

There are always degrees of any crime, a single punch in a bar is not the same as dragging a man for a mile in a speeding car.

I doubt it will happen but they should get 20 years.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I am quite happy for them to be guilty of manslaughter as murder implies premeditation. In fact they can be guilty of being a shopping trolley for all I care what matters is the sentence they get.

There are always degrees of any crime, a single punch in a bar is not the same as dragging a man for a mile in a speeding car.

I doubt it will happen but they should get 20 years.

Isn’t 15 max for manslaughter?

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Isn’t 15 max for manslaughter?

I don't know but it would surprise me. You have to wonder why should their be a maximum for such a serious crime surely the judge should be allowed to set the tariff they can always appeal.

 


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