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Should MPs Have Second Jobs At The Same Time?

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View Sportyteacher's Profile Sportyteacher Flag London 19 Aug 20 8.03pm Send a Private Message to Sportyteacher Add Sportyteacher as a friend

Another political subject to throw into the mix given how the subject of politics affects virtually every element of how we live and work.

Former Chancellor, Sajid Javid has just become a paid advisor for JP Morgan yet he has decided to date not to give up his Bromsgrove seat and job as MP:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53821907

Are we left to suppose that the work of an MP is not full-time given that it is a tax payer appointed position and that they function as elected public servants? What are your thoughts especially at a time when job security and family wealth for millions of constituents nationally are greatly challenged with the policies of Government?

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 19 Aug 20 8.30pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

The reason they get paid for additional work, is that their politics can influence company profits of their secondary employer.

Does anyone else smell any bvII5hIt ?

And also their Parlimentary Secretary is also normally a close family member. Full pay,...part-time hours.

Then we get onto attendance allowance , (subsidised bar/food at the HOC) and the shambles that is 'expenses'.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (19 Aug 2020 8.34pm)

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Aug 20 9.23pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Sportyteacher

Another political subject to throw into the mix given how the subject of politics affects virtually every element of how we live and work.

Former Chancellor, Sajid Javid has just become a paid advisor for JP Morgan yet he has decided to date not to give up his Bromsgrove seat and job as MP:https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53821907

Are we left to suppose that the work of an MP is not full-time given that it is a tax payer appointed position and that they function as elected public servants? What are your thoughts especially at a time when job security and family wealth for millions of constituents nationally are greatly challenged with the policies of Government?

Apparently with all the long holidays MPs have nothing to do I mean it's not like the country is falling apart at the moment.

It's a complete disgrace if they have time on their hands to do another job they should be working for the voters.

 


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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 19 Aug 20 10.25pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

MP's should be paid in excess of £150,000 a year. They should be living in their constituencies, and have done so for at least 5 years before they stand for election and MP's who live more than x miles away from Westminster should have free accommodation laid on within walking distance of the PoW.

I would also carry on paying them for 24 months AFTER they lose their seats or resign, allocating them a position in a local public service, and introduce a ban on any Government contracts being awarded to any company who employs an ex MP.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 19 Aug 20 11.06pm

Ex CONservative chancellor george osborne would say no to the original question, should mps have 2 jobs? He wanted , and got 6! No minimum wagers either! He might have got all 6 after he left parliament, but it does show how the elite have it easy, 6 jobs, all top money, landing on a well connected CON servative ex chancellor, when millions are unemployed, even then, i"m sure their were thousands of unemployed who were capable of doing that kind of work, not saying i am, but it does go to show how the other half live!

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Aug 20 11.23pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

A resounding NO from me. Also no Liebour MPs bankrolled by the Unions

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 20 Aug 20 7.56am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

No

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 20 Aug 20 8.35am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Ex CONservative chancellor george osborne would say no to the original question, should mps have 2 jobs? He wanted , and got 6! No minimum wagers either! He might have got all 6 after he left parliament, but it does show how the elite have it easy, 6 jobs, all top money, landing on a well connected CON servative ex chancellor, when millions are unemployed, even then, i"m sure their were thousands of unemployed who were capable of doing that kind of work, not saying i am, but it does go to show how the other half live!

Croydon you forgot to add that Osborne had not been seen in his constituency for nearly a year leaving the locals very unhappy. Labour had rightly started to draw up plans to have him sanctioned by Parliament for not doing his job when he resigned.

All of this goes back to MPS not having a job description. It cannot be that difficult to set minimum requirements for the role of an MP e.g. holding surgeries, constituency meetings attendance at Parliament hours worked etc. The good MPs would welcome it because they could show their voters they exceed the minimum.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Aug 2020 8.36am)

 


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jeeagles Flag 20 Aug 20 8.43am

It's a democracy. They can do what ever they like. If the public don't like it, they can be voted out.

I agree with Matov that they should be paid more. The Tories seem to have more tallented politician's as the pay and lack of job security it less of a worry when you have huge family backing. I doubt Corbyn, Dawn Butler, Dianne Abbot, Kate Oasmour, or Rebecca Long-Baily would have managed to hold down a job anywhere - so it's worth the risk for people like that.

Prehaps they should live within a certain distance of their constituancy or have ties to the area.

You won't be able to ban companies awarding contracts to ex MP's. There's a lot of benefit in former politicians and aids telling companies exactly what the government want, rather than them having to second guess the system. Also, it makes it easier for companies to tell Government and oposition what is technically possible.

 

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View Wilesy01's Profile Wilesy01 Flag Bristol 20 Aug 20 9.18am Send a Private Message to Wilesy01 Add Wilesy01 as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

It's a democracy. They can do what ever they like. If the public don't like it, they can be voted out.

I agree with Matov that they should be paid more. The Tories seem to have more tallented politician's as the pay and lack of job security it less of a worry when you have huge family backing. I doubt Corbyn, Dawn Butler, Dianne Abbot, Kate Oasmour, or Rebecca Long-Baily would have managed to hold down a job anywhere - so it's worth the risk for people like that.

Prehaps they should live within a certain distance of their constituancy or have ties to the area.

You won't be able to ban companies awarding contracts to ex MP's. There's a lot of benefit in former politicians and aids telling companies exactly what the government want, rather than them having to second guess the system. Also, it makes it easier for companies to tell Government and oposition what is technically possible.

Suggesting the tories have a more talented group at this exact moment in time is a bit of a stretch!

I do agree second jobs should be barred for MPs, and there should be a time bar on ex MPs walking into high profile jobs in banking, media etc as it seems as though their employment comes from their recent involvement in government. Blair and Osborne are the chief offenders of that.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Aug 20 2.28pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Just tax them properly and shut all the tax loopholes for them. Stop them being able to employ all of their relations at the taxpayer's expense. Many MPs are actually running themselves as contractors/companies to avoid tax.
Have a minimum attendance requirement of every day parliament sits, they must attend, or ring in sick, just the way we have to. When Parliament doesn't sit they should have a 9 til 5 Monday to Friday attendance in an allocated constituency office. Those with other jobs and not doing the required job should be sacked by a cross party, neutral committee.
On the flip side, they need a good wage, and any job they held previously, should be held open for them on their return.
Don't get me started on Euro MPs though. Two people I know are now MEPs - both did it for the money. Figure that. Straight from the horse's mouth.
We need to have MPs who are normal people like us and subject to the same taxes and standards of behaviour and employment. That way MPs can stop living in their bubble and see the concerns of normal people for what they are. This is cross party, too much pie in the sky in Labour, too much privelege in Conservatives. The rest don't really matter too much currently. Who genuinely cares about Liberals? Too much power for the fantasist Greens will be a future problem.

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 20 Aug 20 2.40pm

Originally posted by Badger11

Croydon you forgot to add that Osborne had not been seen in his constituency for nearly a year leaving the locals very unhappy. Labour had rightly started to draw up plans to have him sanctioned by Parliament for not doing his job when he resigned.

All of this goes back to MPS not having a job description. It cannot be that difficult to set minimum requirements for the role of an MP e.g. holding surgeries, constituency meetings attendance at Parliament hours worked etc. The good MPs would welcome it because they could show their voters they exceed the minimum.

Edited by Badger11 (20 Aug 2020 8.36am)


I thank you!

 

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