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View topcat's Profile topcat Flag Holmesdale / Surbiton 24 Aug 20 11.31am Send a Private Message to topcat Add topcat as a friend

I thought that all the money SP earns from the club goes back into the club / academy?

We have previously paid too much for players and agreed wages that are too high. It has worked, as we are still in the Premier League, but to be sustainable we need a new AWB to be sold every other year.

Covid could work in our favour, on the one hand we have a reduced income but hopefully new contracts will be lower in the future. West Ham bought Bowen from Hull for £22 million and wages of £80k a week. If he were on sale now I suspect the wages would be a lot less.

 


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Originally posted by topcat

I thought that all the money SP earns from the club goes back into the club / academy?

We have previously paid too much for players and agreed wages that are too high. It has worked, as we are still in the Premier League, but to be sustainable we need a new AWB to be sold every other year.

Covid could work in our favour, on the one hand we have a reduced income but hopefully new contracts will be lower in the future. West Ham bought Bowen from Hull for £22 million and wages of £80k a week. If he were on sale now I suspect the wages would be a lot less.

The Fraser deal is certainly looking like that. Sounds like we're very competitive at about half of what he was looking for, and less than Bournemouth offered him.

Ferguson, Eze and this rumoured young CB from abroad will be lower on wages too. Sell Sakho and you're not far off breaking even with an additional three players (3 1/2 counting Sakho's injuries...) and far greater sell on potential.

 


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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 24 Aug 20 12.36pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

When we discuss this in our overseas group chat, it is generally fairly soon to " SP is our best ever , the only measure is number of consecutive seasons in PL "

The flip side is we over paid for non performers and also overpaid generally on wages.

You only have to look at other PL clubs to see this is a fact.

We lucked out on AWB financially and to a degree Bolasie.

Apart from these two no system of developing players as for example Southampton seem to do and generate a revenue stream.

General consensus is without new income stream, which would seem to only be possible by a sale we will inevitably be relegated in the next couple of seasons and the old squad / high wage picture will be the main reason.

Ayew became a much better player under Roy and Ray and we lucked out a bit there too.

We will likely find it hard to unload our high wage earners.

Hard to see anyone matching wages of Sakho and Benteke, Meyer would want a good part of any transfer fee as he is unlikely to be offered same wages elsewhere.

With Wilf who knows, maybe after last night PSG may want a game changer player.

Edited by HKOwen (24 Aug 2020 12.39pm)

 


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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag South London 24 Aug 20 12.40pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Covid 19 is obviously a terrible thing but it strangley may work in our favour. As others have pointed out, we are not going to take as big a hit given our relative lack of match gate/hospitality earnings.

No one with any sense would have deliberately had so many players contracts ending in 12 months time but we really couldn't be "buying" at a better time. Buying promising youth is expensive normally and it seems that is why we've been shunted into the old pro option.

A budget of £30m+ could get us 2/3 decent players this windows. Am I being unrealistic? Perhaps but of our typical competition in the south: seems like West Ham need to sell before buying. Obviously, Watford and Bournmouth are sellling and I'd say we're a better option than Fulham. Transfer deadline day is October? Two long months ahead...

 

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View Holton thunderbolt's Profile Holton thunderbolt Flag 24 Aug 20 12.45pm Send a Private Message to Holton thunderbolt Add Holton thunderbolt as a friend

SP has 15% ish -Americans 60% of which 15% each for Harris and Blitzer and 30% through one of their companies.The other 25% owned by original funding shareholders Martin Long Steve Browett and Jeremy Hoskins.They would between them and SP I believe have to put the original £60 mill they got personally back in to the club to build the stand which is why it will prob not be built until some fairy godfather buys them out ..Unlikely especially if SP wants to remain with shares and/or chairman on the wages he is on.The Americans won’t invest in players unless it comes from “league place money” or sales,even then that has not happened over recent windows.It does seem crazy as we are hurtling to the Championship when the value of the club will drop like a stone,but it appears a power standoff between SP and the Americans.Perhaps he is hoping for reinvestment in the January window after an abysmal start and when we are looking down the barrel of relegation and they finally wake up to to the reality of the championship and reduced chances of selling their shares.At least the traffic will be lighter with small crowds,and there maybe some goal excitement!

 

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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 24 Aug 20 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

Simple answer......we have spent it all.

1. High wages is a big problem.

2. The money spent on the academy. Whether that was worthwhile remains to be seen. Will it be a white elephant or actually produce 1st team players ? My opinion is that talented youngsters look at money and status. At the end of the day we are still Crystal Palace, even if we have a state of the art academy, if a Chelsea or Arsenal come in for them they are gone.

3. Are the Americans taking out money ?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Aug 20 1.20pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Aray

Covid 19 is obviously a terrible thing but it strangley may work in our favour. As others have pointed out, we are not going to take as big a hit given our relative lack of match gate/hospitality earnings.

No one with any sense would have deliberately had so many players contracts ending in 12 months time but we really couldn't be "buying" at a better time. Buying promising youth is expensive normally and it seems that is why we've been shunted into the old pro option.

A budget of £30m+ could get us 2/3 decent players this windows. Am I being unrealistic? Perhaps but of our typical competition in the south: seems like West Ham need to sell before buying. Obviously, Watford and Bournmouth are sellling and I'd say we're a better option than Fulham. Transfer deadline day is October? Two long months ahead...

Whilst this is true we are almost completely reliant on TV money what happens if that goes down?

I know it will impact the other clubs as well but that is why the rebuilding of the stadium is so important you should not just rely on one income stream.

 


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View Aray's Profile Aray Flag South London 24 Aug 20 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Aray Add Aray as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Whilst this is true we are almost completely reliant on TV money what happens if that goes down?

I know it will impact the other clubs as well but that is why the rebuilding of the stadium is so important you should not just rely on one income stream.

We'll be in the same boat as other teams in that event, surely? I agree we should still try to build other income streams but as soon as it is created, it is spent. It is a minor levelling of the playing field in our favour. Temporarily no doubt but real nonetheless.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Aug 20 3.25pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

The main reason why Palace is unsaleable is that Parish wants to hang on to a minority shareholding and continue to run the club and anyone that is willing to fork out a couple of hundred million will want total control

This has been discussed before and I agree.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 24 Aug 20 3.35pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

This has been discussed before and I agree.

Not totally disagreeing with this but Parish did say he would step aside for the 'right' owner/s.
There are plenty of questions, however.

The ground is a big one.
What exactly are the Americans doing?
Are we actively selling the club?

Who knows what's going on?

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 24 Aug 20 3.45pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Not totally disagreeing with this but Parish did say he would step aside for the 'right' owner/s.
There are plenty of questions, however.

The ground is a big one.
What exactly are the Americans doing?
Are we actively selling the club?

Who knows what's going on?

Indeed. Also what does “the right owners” mean? Ones that would allow him to continue as at present? I suppose we mere mortals may never know

 

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View robdave2k's Profile robdave2k Flag 24 Aug 20 4.27pm Send a Private Message to robdave2k Add robdave2k as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Indeed. Also what does “the right owners” mean? Ones that would allow him to continue as at present? I suppose we mere mortals may never know

I’d rather he took the approach of the right buyers. Let’s look at our two before him.

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