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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 22 Sep 20 11.00am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

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He does make me smile. Labour deserved to lose in 2019 purely because of the insanity of its position on Brexit which he was fundamental in bringing about (you can even date and time the moment back at the conference in 2018 ).

Now I am no lover of Corbyn and if he had won in Dec 2019 suspect I would have been on a list for an 're-education' camp already but the reality was that in 2017, based on a clear stance of respecting the Brexit vote, Corbyn pulled in 40% of the vote. An incredible performance.

Fast forward 30 months and he gets absolutely tonked. Why? Corbyn was a no-good left wing c*** in 2017. He remained a no good left wing c*** in 2019. That ain't changed.

Labour got its arse handed to it because people like Starmer forced it into a position of adopting an electoral policy that was utterly suicidal. Made zero rational political sense in any way, shape or form. You wanted to guarantee a Labour loss, then you campaign for a second vote.

So yes Keir, Labour did deserve to lose in 2019. But that was down to you and others like you. But fair play to the man for making me smile this morning.

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Sep 20 11.30am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Agent Starmer replace Agent Corbyn.

 


One more point

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 22 Sep 20 11.34am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Agent Starmer replace Agent Corbyn.


Corbyn was his own man. Had always stood up against the establishment until the last 2 years. His anti EEC/EU voting record speaks for itself.

Starmer is a full on stooge of the same people behind Blair and who ever is going to replace Johnson in 2021 (and that is coming).

 

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Light Years above Boris and his world beating track and trace even the 1922 committee want to oust him.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 22 Sep 20 1.48pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Starmer a slightly more palatable tory.

 

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Somewhere along the line, the message that HM Opposition are actually meant to oppose got a bit confused and befuddled.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Originally posted by beak

Light Years above Boris and his world beating track and trace even the 1922 committee want to oust him.

But Keira wants to test more and more people with dud tests. If labour had a credible and logical leader Iíd be for them tbh. But Iíll have to go with Boris out in 2021 and new tory leader in.

 


COYP

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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 22 Sep 20 3.07pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

How do you represent "the working classes' when loads of them don't work ?

 


from the Etihad, Emirates, Molyneux, London Stadium, the Vitality, turf moor & Anfield to Old Trafford x 2.....or a neighbourly visit to Craven Cottage...Raptors on the Road

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 22 Sep 20 5.58pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Hopefully he will remain leader at least until the Corbynista/Momentum crowd are gone and Labour permanently in opposition eventually merging with Greens

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 22 Sep 20 7.14pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Momentum are his problem.
Get rid and he can move to the centre left. Not far from boris atm. Has to have the pain to make the gain. They will never vote tory so no loss really.
I can see this from a right perspective.

 

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View the.universal's Profile the.universal 22 Sep 20 8.56pm Send a Private Message to the.universal Add the.universal as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

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He does make me smile. Labour deserved to lose in 2019 purely because of the insanity of its position on Brexit which he was fundamental in bringing about (you can even date and time the moment back at the conference in 2018 ).

Now I am no lover of Corbyn and if he had won in Dec 2019 suspect I would have been on a list for an 're-education' camp already but the reality was that in 2017, based on a clear stance of respecting the Brexit vote, Corbyn pulled in 40% of the vote. An incredible performance.

Fast forward 30 months and he gets absolutely tonked. Why? Corbyn was a no-good left wing c*** in 2017. He remained a no good left wing c*** in 2019. That ain't changed.

Labour got its arse handed to it because people like Starmer forced it into a position of adopting an electoral policy that was utterly suicidal. Made zero rational political sense in any way, shape or form. You wanted to guarantee a Labour loss, then you campaign for a second vote.

So yes Keir, Labour did deserve to lose in 2019. But that was down to you and others like you. But fair play to the man for making me smile this morning.

Edited by Matov (22 Sep 2020 11.01am)

Edited by Matov (22 Sep 2020 11.02am)

Normally I rate your posts Matov but I have to disagree with you here. Corbyn needs to carry the can for the Labour defeats - he proved, in the end, unelectable.

Starmer looks a decent prospect, a good talker who takes Boris down at regular intervals in the commons. Also seems pretty sensible and I think is providing good opposition on covid, notably being against a second lockdown.

Many on here are already firmly entrenched to their views, some would even have backed IDS or Hague back in the day. Corbyn was dangerous in his way, but Starmer presents a different challenge. My feeling is heíll help close the gap and big swings are possible in this political day and age. Itís sure to be interesting.

 


Vive le Roy!

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 23 Sep 20 4.50am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Corbyn is, was and forever will be a loser.

It's amazing Labour act as if coming second in a two horse race is like winning.

Labour are now the party of the Guardian rather than the Mirror and a few heads in the trough union officials.

My late aunt was proper Labour, the Labour of Atlee, not the Labour of division and class war

Good riddance and I hope they break up into little factions of self importance.

Otherwise, don't have a problem with them.

 


Let's see SP and the board trying to line up for a piss in the AW toilets at half time before peddling the new stand. We're the Arthur over here and the facilities are a disgrace

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