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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 02 Oct 20 11.49am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

My prediction, and I have nothing to back this up with except a hunch, is that wages will in real terms get lower and lower.

Partially due to automation, partIally due to the huge influx in immigration, partially due to outsourcing.

Itís not an easy job market for youngsters to enter, never mind getting on the housing market.

The housing market is a strange one. I was thinking that the present rules were generally made with the anticipation of 2 people buying a house together.
4 x joint etc. I think it was 5 x single.
Maybe because many singles would like to buy, these sums need a rethink. Many singles could probably pay a mortgage and associated Bills, (circumstances now accepted) and survive for years with this set up. It always was scewed towards couples as generally two wages would be more than one so 8 x single would now be the equation which would put a load more people in the can afford bracket.
Just throwing that out there as it seems logical.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

The housing market is a strange one. I was thinking that the present rules were generally made with the anticipation of 2 people buying a house together.
4 x joint etc. I think it was 5 x single.
Maybe because many singles would like to buy, these sums need a rethink. Many singles could probably pay a mortgage and associated Bills, (circumstances now accepted) and survive for years with this set up. It always was scewed towards couples as generally two wages would be more than one so 8 x single would now be the equation which would put a load more people in the can afford bracket.
Just throwing that out there as it seems logical.

There has to be council houses like there was when we were young. No government's going to do it though. Even though they could do it when we were even more skint than now. No will to house people and probably never will be. Job insecurity and home insecurity the norm, rather than the exception increasingly.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View croydon proud's Profile croydon proud Flag croydon 02 Oct 20 3.44pm Send a Private Message to croydon proud Add croydon proud as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

My whole point wasnt to separate jobs for importance. It was that there is now no room to negotiate. Firms have taken the 'minimum' to mean the actual. All on the same rate, good and bad.
As for the banker, he is in the private sector which is different to the state sector. The private side makes the money to pay for the state side. Pure economics and if he makes millions for his bosses he gets rewarded accordingly. This minimum wage affects across all sectors, and both sides, state and private.
The unions do a job for their members but have you seen the salaries they get. Wow it puts them in the top 10%. How would that make you feel at the present. None of them were furloughed or layed off I dont think. Good for their time but now a bit too big for their boots.


So you don"t mind bankers earning lots but you resent union leaders earning lots? My point about the minimum wage is about bringing everyone up, where yours is about bringing everyone down to that level, i know dom rabb wanted to ditch it but not because of your theory - more about mine- he wants to pay everyone less, just as i thought , not pay people more to catch up with the higher earners.

 

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Originally posted by Spiderman

My son applied for several jobs a couple of years ago, when he finished Uni ( including Sports Direct! thatís how desperate he was), as he was able to work any days/hours they all seemed keen until they found out he was over 21 and he heard no more. He obtained a job last year at Thorpe Park but was paid less than £8 ph. Enjoyed the job so was willing to go again completed 1 training day but in view of Covid was not required and missed out on being furloughed by a couple of days. Applied for farm work/ supermarkets earlier this year, heard nothing.


Its tough for him, at least he"s staying positive, try indeed and total jobs.

 

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Originally posted by Badger11

How long before we have driverless trains?

Hopefully not for a long time but it will come one day for sure.

 

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

There has to be council houses like there was when we were young. No government's going to do it though. Even though they could do it when we were even more skint than now. No will to house people and probably never will be. Job insecurity and home insecurity the norm, rather than the exception increasingly.

When I first started at the Met, there were approx 5,000 plus married quarters around the metropolitan police district plus thousands of section house accommodation for single officers. This was an enticement to officers from out of London to come here and be given service quarters.

By the time I left, 10 years later in 1997 most of that accommodation had been sold off and by now I should imagine it has all gone. Selling the family silver (including council houses) has been a government trait for years and years. Then of course you had PFI which is effectively robbing Peter to pay Paul and always has been although no government could actually see it and also have the fore sight to see that they are now of course paralysed by extortionate rentals.

All the time government owned property and huge gold reserves they had the whip hand. The conservatives mostly to blame for PFI and selling public property, Labour to blame for giving our gold away. Neither party can hold their heads up.

I agree that public sector housing is a good way forward but it is simply too expensive to reintroduce.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 02 Oct 20 5.07pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud


So you don"t mind bankers earning lots but you resent union leaders earning lots? My point about the minimum wage is about bringing everyone up, where yours is about bringing everyone down to that level, i know dom rabb wanted to ditch it but not because of your theory - more about mine- he wants to pay everyone less, just as i thought , not pay people more to catch up with the higher earners.

If you pay less you get less tax. What benefit is that, I mean really. He would have no sway in the private sector either.
You get paid what you are worth to your employer.
Is a black cab really worth x per 385 yards?
Probably not but you benefit a lazy tnuc so get the going rate for that. Glass houses and all which is why uber are wiping the floor in the uk.

 

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Originally posted by croydon proud


Its tough for him, at least he"s staying positive, try indeed and total jobs.

Edited by cryrst (02 Oct 2020 5.11pm)

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 02 Oct 20 5.12pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud


Its tough for him, at least he"s staying positive, try indeed and total jobs.

Zero hours might be the way to go for now. At least its dollar.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag Chatham 02 Oct 20 5.13pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

When I first started at the Met, there were approx 5,000 plus married quarters around the metropolitan police district plus thousands of section house accommodation for single officers. This was an enticement to officers from out of London to come here and be given service quarters.

By the time I left, 10 years later in 1997 most of that accommodation had been sold off and by now I should imagine it has all gone. Selling the family silver (including council houses) has been a government trait for years and years. Then of course you had PFI which is effectively robbing Peter to pay Paul and always has been although no government could actually see it and also have the fore sight to see that they are now of course paralysed by extortionate rentals.

All the time government owned property and huge gold reserves they had the whip hand. The conservatives mostly to blame for PFI and selling public property, Labour to blame for giving our gold away. Neither party can hold their heads up.

I agree that public sector housing is a good way forward but it is simply too expensive to reintroduce.

Recheck the PFI. yes the Tories started it but labour ran amok with it tbh.

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

If you pay less you get less tax. What benefit is that, I mean really. He would have no sway in the private sector either.
You get paid what you are worth to your employer.
Is a black cab really worth x per 385 yards?
Probably not but you benefit a lazy tnuc so get the going rate for that. Glass houses and all which is why uber are wiping the floor in the uk.

Ask dom why he wanted to get rid of it then,Uber are indeed wiping the floor with the taxi game, but the games over, its a race to the bottom, but has a knock on effect, nobody in their right mind will pay 70k for a new electric taxi, so the game will disappear, taxi drivers will retrain as sparks and plumbers, bringing your game down, and you already told us you have taken a 20& drop in salary, so with lots more plumbers around it can only do more damage - although you do all earn 120k a year so plenty of scope for a decrease!

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Zero hours might be the way to go for now. At least its dollar.

Yeah, anything is better than nothing for now, but try getting a mortgage on zero hours when he wants one, its a non starter.

 

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