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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 04 Oct 20 9.13am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Cheers guys.
I've surprised my self to be honest, re training at 42 felt like a big task but feel like I'm in the home straight, would recommend to anyone in a dead end job.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Online Flag CR3 04 Oct 20 10.49am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Cheers guys.
I've surprised my self to be honest, re training at 42 felt like a big task but feel like I'm in the home straight, would recommend to anyone in a dead end job.

You are doing exactly the right thing mate. Good on you. Mate of mine became a plumber at 45, hasnít looked back since and wished heíd done it years ago.

 

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minimum wage,......zero hours.

you do the maffs

 


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Wonder if anyone in the public sector gets minimum wage?

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Online Flag CR3 05 Oct 20 10.52am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Wonder if anyone in the public sector gets minimum wage?

or loses their living, or gets furloughed, or gets inconvenienced whatsoever!

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 06 Oct 20 1.36pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

or loses their living, or gets furloughed, or gets inconvenienced whatsoever!

Public service is a mixed bag. For example, nurses - they don't get much money and are often inconvenienced with overtime, courses or regulations. Of course, some do better than others, some love it, some grow to hate it. Similar with teaching or the Police force.
A lot of admin people in Public service are very low paid, often the employment laws that the government has are not enforced in the public service. Conversely, usually the Unions are pervasive and relatively strong but will sell you down the river to suit themselves whenever they feel like it.
Two of my sisters are in public service, one works flexitime, has good wages, holidays and a pension. The other one is a low grade secretary in the NHS. Her bosses treat her like sh1t. Her wages are crap and her working conditions far from ideal. She will be leaving.
So, just wanted to make a point that not all public servants are sitting around, or getting good money, or being lazy. I can say that no one I know in the civil service/public service has stopped working during the pandemic but obviously experiences differ.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Online Flag CR3 06 Oct 20 3.48pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Public service is a mixed bag. For example, nurses - they don't get much money and are often inconvenienced with overtime, courses or regulations. Of course, some do better than others, some love it, some grow to hate it. Similar with teaching or the Police force.
A lot of admin people in Public service are very low paid, often the employment laws that the government has are not enforced in the public service. Conversely, usually the Unions are pervasive and relatively strong but will sell you down the river to suit themselves whenever they feel like it.
Two of my sisters are in public service, one works flexitime, has good wages, holidays and a pension. The other one is a low grade secretary in the NHS. Her bosses treat her like sh1t. Her wages are crap and her working conditions far from ideal. She will be leaving.
So, just wanted to make a point that not all public servants are sitting around, or getting good money, or being lazy. I can say that no one I know in the civil service/public service has stopped working during the pandemic but obviously experiences differ.

Iíve been both sides of the fence mate, I know what it is like. I suppose my real point was that those who are making others in the private sector suffer with their continual changing of rules etc etc, have not suffered one jot monetarily. How can you truly understand what is going on with those out of work when you are unaffected.

 

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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Online Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 07 Oct 20 1.44pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Iíve been both sides of the fence mate, I know what it is like. I suppose my real point was that those who are making others in the private sector suffer with their continual changing of rules etc etc, have not suffered one jot monetarily. How can you truly understand what is going on with those out of work when you are unaffected.

Fair enough, the rich basically live in gated communities now. They have little idea of the common person - I totally agree.
Where I will differ with many on this thread is that I believe that a minimum wage should exist - and it should be a decent wage. If companies are so sh1t that they don't make enough money to pay a decent wage, then my opinion is they're not good enough to be viable companies. Plus people need enough income to rent or buy housing, food and utilities. Plenty of times in my life, I had to go without food or electricity, or a roof over my head. I don't think that's really acceptable in a supposedly civil society. A decent minimum wage has not caused unemployment in Ireland - it's around 10 euro an hour. I think it's going up to 10.20 or so. What I would say is get rid of age differentiation - just have a flat minimum wage across the board. In England I'd say around 5.50 or so an hour. Where I would perhaps make it more would be London - with other areas to be checked for prices/ affordability. I would exempt very small, family businesses in some way. the corner shop etc would likely have small margins and they should be able to employ 15/16 year olds in my opinion - like the good old days when I worked from the age of 12/13 for something like 60p an hour, rising to 1.25 when I thought I was rich. I'm not that old by the way - middle aged let's say.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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Originally posted by ASCPFC

Fair enough, the rich basically live in gated communities now. They have little idea of the common person - I totally agree.
Where I will differ with many on this thread is that I believe that a minimum wage should exist - and it should be a decent wage. If companies are so sh1t that they don't make enough money to pay a decent wage, then my opinion is they're not good enough to be viable companies. Plus people need enough income to rent or buy housing, food and utilities. Plenty of times in my life, I had to go without food or electricity, or a roof over my head. I don't think that's really acceptable in a supposedly civil society. A decent minimum wage has not caused unemployment in Ireland - it's around 10 euro an hour. I think it's going up to 10.20 or so. What I would say is get rid of age differentiation - just have a flat minimum wage across the board. In England I'd say around 5.50 or so an hour. Where I would perhaps make it more would be London - with other areas to be checked for prices/ affordability. I would exempt very small, family businesses in some way. the corner shop etc would likely have small margins and they should be able to employ 15/16 year olds in my opinion - like the good old days when I worked from the age of 12/13 for something like 60p an hour, rising to 1.25 when I thought I was rich. I'm not that old by the way - middle aged let's say.

Totally agree- well, nearly, only thing i can add is £5.50 an hour isn"t enough to pay rent etc, got to be at least what it is now, around £7.50 an hour, but thats not realy enough to live.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Oct 20 2.35pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Many many more will be on low wages now and over the near future.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 07 Oct 20 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Low wages make everything more available to buy or experience to the me me me generations. Many of them in low pay. When they get to having responsibilities and maybe private housing they might change their opinions, I theyíre even aware, chomping through shyte overpriced junk meals.

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Online Flag CR3 07 Oct 20 4.26pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Totally agree- well, nearly, only thing i can add is £5.50 an hour isn"t enough to pay rent etc, got to be at least what it is now, around £7.50 an hour, but thats not realy enough to live.

I think the minimum wage should be £9 per hour, £10 per hour in the London Boroughs. Anyone under the age of 18, £4 per hour. How that compares with current public pay I have no idea. Maybe if these levels were brought in there would be less people happy to sit on their hands for benefits.

 

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