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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 01 Mar 21 3.18pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

The Times today has joined this thread.
In their debate section the journalist Alyson Rudd says he should stay, whereas Tony Cascarino thinks he should depart.
More to the point does anybody know what Steve Parish thinks?

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 01 Mar 21 3.26pm Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Surely it not about whether our squad is better than Burnleys, Brightons or Fulham's? It's about comparing the 11 each club could field on the day.

I'd say that Burnelys XI was on a par with ours, and our players were just awful that day. However, both Fulham and Brighton were able to field stronger, more economically valuable XIs than we were. That's not a big shock - Brighton have spent a lot of money, and Fulham have borrowed 6 of their 11, providing them players they couldn't afford permanently. Both clubs had most of their players fit and available (and in form). We on the other hand are missing five or six starters at least, and cannot rotate a tired group as a result.

That's not to say we shouldn't have done more to win the games, or that the absentees justified such defensive performances, but I wouldn't say our team (rather than our squad) was stronger than any of the three we just played. Not at all.

I used both ‘11’ and ‘squad’ in my message, but you’re right, the 11 is what is important.

By what measure are Brighton’s and Fulham’s stronger?

And by what measure are we only equal to the Burnley‘s 11??

If you were to compare Premier League (or top flight) appearances, or international caps in the squad, or wage bill, I’m 99% sure we come out above all three of those elevens. I can’t think of any objective measure which supports this idea that our squad is so bad.

How many established Premier league players in that Fulham team? I’m struggling to think of any.. maybe Loftus-Cheek? Areola has played a lot of top flight football, that aside, has anyone in that team been consistently successful at a high level ?


We don’t think our team is any better because Roy has convinced us of that - I made this same point last season when I watched Burnley’s considerably inferior team turn us over at Selhurst, and I stand by it now - we are not even close to the worst squad in this division, and the fact we’re so convinced we are is the biggest testament to the work Roy has done.

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Mar 21 3.32pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

The Times today has joined this thread.
In their debate section the journalist Alyson Rudd says he should stay, whereas Tony Cascarino thinks he should depart.
More to the point does anybody know what Steve Parish thinks?

I doubt Steve Parish knows what Steve Parish thinks just yet.

If he knew he wanted Roy for next year then he'd have offered him a deal already, and the only thing we know for sure is that he hasn't.

That doesn't mean Parish has decided to let Roy go of course, but as Roy has said himself, it is to the clubs benefit to leave out of contract staff waiting on a new deal for as long as possible, simply because some or all may not be getting renewed, and telling them now may undermine their commitment.

If Parish has decided to let Roy go, then not telling him, or anyone else for that matter, would make sense.

 

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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 01 Mar 21 3.49pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

I doubt Steve Parish knows what Steve Parish thinks just yet.

If he knew he wanted Roy for next year then he'd have offered him a deal already, and the only thing we know for sure is that he hasn't.

That doesn't mean Parish has decided to let Roy go of course, but as Roy has said himself, it is to the clubs benefit to leave out of contract staff waiting on a new deal for as long as possible, simply because some or all may not be getting renewed, and telling them now may undermine their commitment.

If Parish has decided to let Roy go, then not telling him, or anyone else for that matter, would make sense.

Actually, we don't know that for sure. For all any of us know, they may just be delaying announcing what's going to happen.

 


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View Phil’s Barber's Profile Phil’s Barber Flag Crowborough 01 Mar 21 3.50pm Send a Private Message to Phil’s Barber Add Phil’s Barber as a friend

Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews

The majority feel that Roy should go at the end of the season, and I am of that group. He has done his job, with little support from SP and a very ineffective board.

I wouldn’t be too confident of someone new taking the hot seat and being a success. Who would be your choice Phil?

There are a few but my top two choices right now would be Julian Nagelsmann or Steven Gerrard.

Both managers seem destined for the Premier League at some point or other and if Spurs hang on to Mourinho then Nagelsmann to another established PL team in London is not beyond the realms of possibility.
Gerrard I think also has a lot to offer and there are probably a few years yet until he gets the top job at Liverpool so why not us in the meantime?

 

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Originally posted by PatrickA

The Times today has joined this thread.
In their debate section the journalist Alyson Rudd says he should stay, whereas Tony Cascarino thinks he should depart.
More to the point does anybody know what Steve Parish thinks?

Even a piece in the Irish Independent:

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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

I used both ‘11’ and ‘squad’ in my message, but you’re right, the 11 is what is important.

By what measure are Brighton’s and Fulham’s stronger?

And by what measure are we only equal to the Burnley‘s 11??

If you were to compare Premier League (or top flight) appearances, or international caps in the squad, or wage bill, I’m 99% sure we come out above all three of those elevens. I can’t think of any objective measure which supports this idea that our squad is so bad.

How many established Premier league players in that Fulham team? I’m struggling to think of any.. maybe Loftus-Cheek? Areola has played a lot of top flight football, that aside, has anyone in that team been consistently successful at a high level ?


We don’t think our team is any better because Roy has convinced us of that - I made this same point last season when I watched Burnley’s considerably inferior team turn us over at Selhurst, and I stand by it now - we are not even close to the worst squad in this division, and the fact we’re so convinced we are is the biggest testament to the work Roy has done.

I really don't think we have the assets in the current team (again, not the squad) that Fulham and Brighton do.

Fulham have a goalie who (apparently) most PSG fans think should be their first choice, and they are were last years champions league finalists. The Danish centre back is a good age, and as Pearce said in commentary, he was valued at £6-7m last summer, but will now cost a lot more. The left back Robinson was, whilst at Wigan, subject of a bid from AC Milan no less(!), Tete was expected to play for a big club by now. Loftus Cheek we know is very good, so much so he played for England in the World Cup and Chelsea won't sell him, Lookman is highly rated enough that Everton and Leipzig have spent about £20n between them, and fulham would have to do likewise to get him.

Brighton have Liverpool and other big clubs sniffing around White and Bissouma, both of whom would go for big money. Dunk was of interest to Arsenal before he signed a new deal to stay put.

I think sometimes it's easy to forget that even the lower premier league teams can have individuals of great value.

I can't think of anybody in our recent XI who has anything like that kind of value.

We still should have played better stuff than we did, but I don't think we were the stronger side on paper at all.

 

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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Actually, we don't know that for sure. For all any of us know, they may just be delaying announcing what's going to happen.

Well, the club do have form on that front, but I find it unlikely that Hodgson would speak so openly about not knowing what his future holds if he were lying.

 

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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Nor shall I Rudi. Apathy abounds at present. They have one chance to sort it, let’s wait and see.

which begs the question - what's it all about - this quest to stay in the Prem? I can't imagine anyone would want to pay to watch it - there are far better things to spend your money on and enjoy doing at the weekend. I understand the financial benefits of staying in the Prem, but it doesn't seem like we know whether it's the means or the end. A means to what? I just can't see enough fans (beyond tourists and away supporters) buying into it to fill the ground. And what do we become then?

 

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Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

which begs the question - what's it all about - this quest to stay in the Prem? I can't imagine anyone would want to pay to watch it - there are far better things to spend your money on and enjoy doing at the weekend. I understand the financial benefits of staying in the Prem, but it doesn't seem like we know whether it's the means or the end. A means to what? I just can't see enough fans (beyond tourists and away supporters) buying into it to fill the ground. And what do we become then?

Well, you have to say that tourist supporters will fill any seats that are not taken by fans simply because it’s the PL, but it will then become like the Arsenal library...schhhhhhhh. I’m done even considering forking out until I see what our plans are at season end.

 

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Originally posted by PatrickA

The Times today has joined this thread.
In their debate section the journalist Alyson Rudd says he should stay, whereas Tony Cascarino thinks he should depart.
More to the point does anybody know what Steve Parish thinks?

An interesting point of view from Rudd who I have a lot of time for as a soccer writer. Didn't she use to play? Anyway, she asserts that Roy is 'one of the best at bringing through young talent' and that 'he places emphasis on organisation and camaraderie'. She winds up her piece with 'This is a quality Palace fans should cherish'. She thinks Roy should stay on for another year. I'm not sure about that, but she can at least see his positives.

Cascarino hardly ever finds anything positive to say about Palace, although even he doesn't suggest Roy should go now. He thinks we should go for Gerrard and move Roy upstairs 'to give advice and support'.

All very interesting. As for Parish, don't fret lads, he has a cunning plan.

 


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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 01 Mar 21 4.28pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

which begs the question - what's it all about - this quest to stay in the Prem? I can't imagine anyone would want to pay to watch it - there are far better things to spend your money on and enjoy doing at the weekend. I understand the financial benefits of staying in the Prem, but it doesn't seem like we know whether it's the means or the end. A means to what? I just can't see enough fans (beyond tourists and away supporters) buying into it to fill the ground. And what do we become then?

As I said recently in response to something Rudi had posted, that is exactly the crux and the heart of it.

It is entirely feasible that the most viable way for us to stay up is not only the least enjoyable, but also one which will slowly kill the club anyway.

That said, supporters groups have been arguing for years that not only were fans being messed about unfairly with kick off times etc, but ticket prices were also unfairly high for what was on offer. There are a number of articles demonstrating that extreme-defensive football (or anti-football) is now more common than ever before (at least since stats were first collected), and it is reasonable to ask why fans should suffer it.

The response is always dismissive, as the gravy train shows no sign of slowing. Top flight grounds are very well attended, and have been ever since the Premier League 'rebrand' got going. Prices, mercenary players and managers, mad kick off times and fixture lists haven't killed the goose, why should s*** football?

 

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