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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 15 Jan 21 1.38pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

If we had paid for the likes of Wan Bissaka and Zaha (what he's been worth after his first prem season) then we'd be just above Wolves in that list.


If you added the value of home grown talent , most teams would have more value. Arsenal most certainly would . What value would Harry Cain, add to Spurs group. And of course Bissaka, is not in our squad.

 

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jeeagles Flag 15 Jan 21 1.55pm

Originally posted by Putitout
When you can guide a squad costing under £150 million to beating teams costing over £600 million sharing the points with teams costing as Arsenal did £454million, or Spurs, £385million. Leicester a weakened side on the day but still an expensive squad. You must be doing something right.
That list in general shows you get what you pay for , thatís if you are not Arsenal. Or even Wolves and Newcastle..

We've had a pretty targeted approach to improving our weakest position since CPFC2010 took over.

Arsenal have a huge imbalance. Other teams, Newcastle, West Ham, Brighton, have spent money badly.

The call from many to just give Roy more money isn't a sensible course of action. We've just given him £20m to spend on a fantastic player who's yet to play in his preferred position.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 15 Jan 21 2.15pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

We've had a pretty targeted approach to improving our weakest position since CPFC2010 took over.

Arsenal have a huge imbalance. Other teams, Newcastle, West Ham, Brighton, have spent money badly.

The call from many to just give Roy more money isn't a sensible course of action. We've just given him £20m to spend on a fantastic player who's yet to play in his preferred position.


Is this your idea of his preferred position? His own? Or his actual best position.? As I see it Eze, has shown what he brings to the team, and itís great to see, his ability on the ball , and most of his linking play is top rate. He is not a finished article , his work in defensive situations is still needing work. But considering he has freedom of movement in the left side of the pitch. It would seem he is playing to his strengths already.

 

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View joe_cpfc's Profile joe_cpfc Flag Basingstoke 15 Jan 21 2.43pm Send a Private Message to joe_cpfc Add joe_cpfc as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


If you added the value of home grown talent , most teams would have more value. Arsenal most certainly would . What value would Harry Cain, add to Spurs group. And of course Bissaka, is not in our squad.

Thats true

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Jan 21 2.45pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

This so exciting football that some want would come at a price.

Who do you want in charge?

Think many would soon change their tune after our new expansive football led to a few defeats.

Without major investment, hardly likely to change in the short term.

Iím not even sure I want to change the way we play, I just want to find some players who can pass the ball to players with the same shirt on. It canít be too much to ask at this level surely? If you have to fork out £25m in each position to be able to do this then football truly has gone mad. Iím not sure about major investment, I reckon a prudent manager could find 4 or 5 decent players at the right price that could transform this team.

 

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View joe_cpfc's Profile joe_cpfc Flag Basingstoke 15 Jan 21 2.48pm Send a Private Message to joe_cpfc Add joe_cpfc as a friend

Originally posted by AuntyAnne70

This so exciting football that some want would come at a price.

Who do you want in charge?

Think many would soon change their tune after our new expansive football led to a few defeats.

Without major investment, hardly likely to change in the short term.

I don't think any Roy hater is thinking we should be playing like Barcelona. I just think they don't want to sit through 90 minutes every single week of 11 men behind the ball at all times.

 

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jeeagles Flag 15 Jan 21 3.14pm

Originally posted by Putitout


Is this your idea of his preferred position? His own? Or his actual best position.? As I see it Eze, has shown what he brings to the team, and itís great to see, his ability on the ball , and most of his linking play is top rate. He is not a finished article , his work in defensive situations is still needing work. But considering he has freedom of movement in the left side of the pitch. It would seem he is playing to his strengths already.

His best position is behind the striker in a Puncheon role. It's widely documented, and would mean he'd not have to do as many defensive duties.

That would allow Wilf and Townsend on the wings, delivering for CB. The 3 players behind the striker would be interchangeable which would be a nightmare for defenders. With Eze and Zaha latching on to lay-offs from Benteke but also able to drop back when required. Eze isn't really a winger. Zaha isn't really a striker.

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 15 Jan 21 3.53pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

His best position is behind the striker in a Puncheon role. It's widely documented, and would mean he'd not have to do as many defensive duties.

That would allow Wilf and Townsend on the wings, delivering for CB. The 3 players behind the striker would be interchangeable which would be a nightmare for defenders. With Eze and Zaha latching on to lay-offs from Benteke but also able to drop back when required. Eze isn't really a winger. Zaha isn't really a striker.


With respect he is doing just that. . He is not playing the wing .unless itís his option. He is allowed to go anywhere on the left side. He is already the feed for Zaha, and Benteke, . But he doesnít stray to the right because the hole he sits in would be left to exposed.if he was to do as you seem to think he should .
Our midfield and defence already gets exposed at times by losing possession to easily at the front of the team.
If he was allowed to not have to protect that left side we would get done week in week out.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 15 Jan 21 4.24pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout


With respect he is doing just that. . He is not playing the wing .unless itís his option. He is allowed to go anywhere on the left side. He is already the feed for Zaha, and Benteke, . But he doesnít stray to the right because the hole he sits in would be left to exposed.if he was to do as you seem to think he should .
Our midfield and defence already gets exposed at times by losing possession to easily at the front of the team.
If he was allowed to not have to protect that left side we would get done week in week out.

I think what he is saying is that with Eze in the 10 role, Zaha would effectively revert to left midfield/wing rather than Eze. However, neither are defenders which then raises the question when fit of having Schlupp left midfield and Zaha/Eze in free roles up top and Benteke dropped. That would be interesting but we would not have a target man.

 

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View Painter's Profile Painter Flag Croydon 15 Jan 21 5.45pm Send a Private Message to Painter Add Painter as a friend

Originally posted by joe_cpfc

and Glen Johnson at Liverpool. This summed him up for me [Link]
He's half decent at keeping smaller clubs up by making them hard to beat sometimes, nothing more than that. His teams play the most appalling football.

Edited by joe_cpfc (15 Jan 2021 1.28pm)

He was also the last Englishman to take an English club to a European final, not bad for a half decent manager.

 

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View ex hibitionist's Profile ex hibitionist Flag Hastings 15 Jan 21 6.11pm Send a Private Message to ex hibitionist Add ex hibitionist as a friend

I don't think Fulham played too bad under Roy, and West Brom played better under him then they did for Pulis. When we had Cabaye and an in-form Loftus Cheek we played good stuff, we bought in few half decent sticking plasters like Ayew and McCarthy but they are starting to peel off a bit. Maybe when he looks at the opposition his first thought is how to stop them, but the team does look vulnerable when there's too big a gap between defence and midfield, so we play deep and tightly packed and mainly on the counter, the personnel we have is what mainly dictates how we have to play to secure points. Even with a different manager it probably wouldn't be much prettier and we might have less points.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 15 Jan 21 6.36pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I don't think we have the players to counter attack with pace the way we used to.
We don't have Bolassie anymore, Zaha seems to have lost a yard and Townsend's pace has deserted him.
Can anyone imagine him now running the length of the field and scoring as he did a few years ago against WBA?
We also lack pace in midfield.
Encouragingly Eze gives us a difference during transition with his cleverness on the ball,but we really need an injection of pace up front and on the right.
Sarr would have been a good addition and Antonio would suit a counter attacking approach.
I hope we can address the lack of pace on the next couple of windows.

 

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