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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 Nov 22 10.23pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


I thought this was an interesting article.

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Interesting but not convincing!

That a few Democratic candidates have complained about the way Republican controlled administrations have suppressed, in their eyes, the opportunities for minorities to vote is one thing.

Such complaints have been made for decades and are the subject of disagreement between the parties. The Dems might complain, but they have never tried to stay in power because of their complaints.

It is a million miles away from a POTUS refusing to accept a result and making completely baseless, and discredited claims, about an election being stolen.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 13 Nov 22 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

They could quite possibly tell you all the names, but whether they do depends on their objectives. Which I have little doubt you and I see differently.

If they released any name it would only be to request assistance in tracing them, to either interview, or issue an indictment.

That may well be necessary for some involved in the Jan 6th insurrection attempt. Especially where video evidence of a crime exists.

It may not with a list of Epstein's "clients", who could all probably be easily found and contacted, should there be any evidence to suggest they were involved in a crime. Being on a list might be enough for an interview. They may have happened, but not publicly.

For the first there is evidence of crime.

For the second there is a suspicion of possible crime.

There is much I could say about you but I won't because I wish to remain on the platform, besides you just love the attention.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2022 5.38am)

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Nov 22 9.07am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is much I could say about you but I won't because I wish to remain on the platform, besides you just love the attention.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2022 5.38am)

That you respond in that way actually says quite a lot!

You post a comment which tries to suggest that the FBI is politically biased and protecting the powerful, whilst targeting those involved in the Trump inspired Jan 6th assault on democracy.

I respond in a calm, reasoned and unaggressive way to suggest why this is probably untrue.

So rather than try to justify and defend your original assertions you revert to type and direct your response at me personally, and suggest that as what you want to say would be so insulting that it might get you banned, you won't say anything. Except you have! Based on all you have said in the past, and the fact that you are still here, the conclusion must be that what you want to say is really extreme!

I guess most can imagine what that might be, based on the stupid, and highly offensive, innuendos you have used before. I certainly can.

The bottom line is that this provides further confirmation, if any is actually needed, of where your ideas come from. Attacks on the FBI of this kind are one of the current favourites of the US far right and MAGA mob. Who benefits most from trying to sow doubt and a lack of trust in the USA's intelligence and security communities? Who then is likely to be planting the seeds of doubt and nurturing them through social media?

You won't find attacks on the FBI in the UK media. So you are clearly being influenced by these US hard right sources, many of whom are one person outfits, feeding off others. Where do they get their "information"? Not from detailed, cross referenced, independently verified research. No, from the web and an over-active imagination. Who puts such things onto the web? Why don't you ask the Russians and Steve Bannon for an answer on that question.

To suggest that these "sources" deserve to be treated seriously, and are as valuable as the MSM is obvious nonsense. People are being manipulated and their prejudices used as tools against the rest of us.

There are signs that the USA, as a whole, is beginning to understand this and deal with it.

It is though very sad to see it go largely unrecognised here.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 14 Nov 22 11.49am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

It's wasn't meant to be a slur aimed directly at you. If that's how it came across then I apologise. I was trying to say that there is no objectivity around Trump.

I'd agree there's not enough objectivity around him. My take is there were certainly several positives from his time in office, but IMO the negatives far outweighed them.

Claiming he was all bad is just as nonsensical as claiming he was the second coming, though.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 14 Nov 22 12.12pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I'd agree there's not enough objectivity around him. My take is there were certainly several positives from his time in office, but IMO the negatives far outweighed them.

Claiming he was all bad is just as nonsensical as claiming he was the second coming, though.

I would be genuinely interested in knowing what you believe were positives from his time in office, that he had any contribution to achieving. Not things that would have happened anyway.

I sat and thought for a while and couldn't think of any at all. So to be fair I googled it to see what others might come up with and found this list of the 20 biggest "achievements" which have been circulated on social media, being fact checked by the NY Times:-

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It seems most were the result of work done either by others, or in process before he took office, and just signed off by him, and a few, quite minor, others.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Nov 22 2.22pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

I'd agree there's not enough objectivity around him. My take is there were certainly several positives from his time in office, but IMO the negatives far outweighed them.

Claiming he was all bad is just as nonsensical as claiming he was the second coming, though.

The next two years could see a significant power struggle in the Republican party if DeSantis wants it.

I should imagine a lot is going on right now. Obviously, everyone who prefers the Democrats are going to want the internal division.

Personally, I think Trump should move on because of the age stuff, but obviously I think that of the Democrats as well. What I would say about his presidency is that he was good on foreign policy and had good economic instincts and commitments.

However, I think he was just about the worst delegator I've seen. He made continual bad choices in his appointments and then would blame them instead of himself.

Personally, I think both parties serve their supporters poorly and their country terribly. America has been in decline for a very long time.

The American political system is financially corrupt. Politicians of both houses enrich themselves once in position. American is also run for the benefit of certain other countries far more than it should be....The first sentence of this paragraph informing the rest.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2022 2.24pm)

 


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croydon proud Flag Any european country i fancy! 17 Nov 22 5.51pm

Newsflash, newsflash, newsflash! CPNEWSunderstands Nancy Pelosi will not be standing for reelection for speaker of the house next time- lets hope the right wing nut attacking her husband hasn"t silenced democracy- thanks Nancy for your great service from all at cpnews.com and all my friends on hol!

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Nov 22 7.18pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by croydon proud

Newsflash, newsflash, newsflash! CPNEWSunderstands Nancy Pelosi will not be standing for reelection for speaker of the house next time- lets hope the right wing nut attacking her husband hasn"t silenced democracy- thanks Nancy for your great service from all at cpnews.com and all my friends on hol!

Hardly a surprise. Unlike the Speaker in our Parliament their Speaker is most definitely partisan and is normally the leader of the largest party in congress so as that is the Republicans...

Ps she is also 80 so time to hang up her boots.

 


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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 17 Nov 22 7.23pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Hardly a surprise. Unlike the Speaker in our Parliament their Speaker is most definitely partisan and is normally the leader of the largest party in congress so as that is the Republicans...

Ps she is also 80 so time to hang up her boots.

This woman has more skeletons than UCH so itís time to lock them up before they come rattling out.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 17 Nov 22 7.35pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Hardly a surprise. Unlike the Speaker in our Parliament their Speaker is most definitely partisan and is normally the leader of the largest party in congress so as that is the Republicans...

Ps she is also 80 so time to hang up her boots.

Are you including Bercow in the non-Partisan speaker brigade?

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 17 Nov 22 7.48pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Are you including Bercow in the non-Partisan speaker brigade?

LOL There is always an exception to the rule.

The reason the US speaker is not the same as ours is that in this country the PM sits in the legislature so can run things whilst in the US the president doesn't so he needs somebody to do the day to day stuff in Congress.

This is normally a heavyweight (rather than a back bench MP) who isn't interested in running for President.

During the Trump Presidency the Democrats had the majority in the lower house so Nancy Pelosi was the unofficial leader of the of the opposition until they picked Biden to run against him.

The new Republican speaker will basically be the voice of the GOP until such times as they elect their Presidential candidate so it is an important role with a lot of power. They will now block Biden's agenda for the next 2 years.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 17 Nov 22 9.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11


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LOL There is always an exception to the rule.

The reason the US speaker is not the same as ours is that in this country the PM sits in the legislature so can run things whilst in the US the president doesn't so he needs somebody to do the day to day stuff in Congress.

This is normally a heavyweight (rather than a back bench MP) who isn't interested in running for President.

During the Trump Presidency the Democrats had the majority in the lower house so Nancy Pelosi was the unofficial leader of the of the opposition until they picked Biden to run against him.

The new Republican speaker will basically be the voice of the GOP until such times as they elect their Presidential candidate so it is an important role with a lot of power. They will now block Biden's agenda for the next 2 years.

That seems to be the accepted wisdom but I wonder if itís completely true. With only a wafer thin majority and a Republican Party which is far from homogeneous I can imagine some things getting approved. Which might have some interesting side effects.

 

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