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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Nov 22 6.25pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Also worth noting Teddy:

The word "groomer" is categorically an anti-LGBTQ hate word. It's super homophobic/transphobic. It plays into the slander that LGBTQ people are pedophiles. It's no different than calling someone a fagg*t.

If you call someone groomer, you're inciting violence against LGBTQ people


According to the Oxford English Dictionary:

Grooming - the action by a paedophile of preparing a child for a meeting, especially via an internet chat room, with the intention of committing a sexual offence.

And to the NSPCC:

Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them.

So no 'grooming' or a 'groomer' is not 'categorically an anti-LGBTQ hate word'. Neither is it 'no different than calling someone a fagg*t'.

The act of 'grooming', within this context, refers to paedophiles attempting to sexually exploit children.

To try and then conflate that with so called 'hate crimes' and further block the usage of such language so as to protect paedophiles should remain, even above murder, at the very top of human indecency.

If LGBTQ people are being accused of 'grooming' with no supporting evidence, that is a separate matter altogether however that point is not made absolutely clear, even remotely so. You add that in with very much 'pro-paedophilia' legislation associated to the individual and the conclusion whilst not definite, is everything but.

You have to ask yourself what kind of person would then so vehemently look to argue this case and what their motives might be to conjure a smokescreen so as to obfuscate and derail what should be a one-sided stance... or at least you'd hope amongst the decent population.

The problem remains that where genuine and worthy causes may have started, such as the acceptance or even just stopping the abuse of homosexuals in society has now paved the way for hijacking by the likes of the hilariously named 'Wiener' and certain posters.

That is the left these days, which is not the left strictly speaking, it is the assortment of all societies weakest, pariahs and most sinister.

Edited by Nicholas91 (23 Nov 2022 5.57pm)

You make this point very well, and it is the only point at issue. I think it is made crystal clear in the tweet.

Paedophiles are rightly condemned by all decent people, whatever their politics. To try to suggest this is something only the right are concerned about is scurrilous nonsense. Any group offering comfort to paedophiles will be condemned by me, and all who think like me.

What is at stake here has nothing to do with the way we handle paedophiles. It is only to do with the way the right is targeting the LGBT communities by trying to build false associations with paedophilia.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 23 Nov 22 6.31pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You make this point very well, and it is the only point at issue. I think it is made crystal clear in the tweet.

Paedophiles are rightly condemned by all decent people, whatever their politics. To try to suggest this is something only the right are concerned about is scurrilous nonsense. Any group offering comfort to paedophiles will be condemned by me, and all who think like me.

What is at stake here has nothing to do with the way we handle paedophiles. It is only to do with the way the right is targeting the LGBT communities by trying to build false associations with paedophilia.

Only if the LGBT community is being targeted rather than an individual within it.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Nov 22 6.32pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Not in the tweet but in the link provided.

The link is also part of the tactics of the right, to try to taint.

If you haven't done so may I recommend you listen to that episode of The Coming Storm that I linked to. It's a real eye-opener and something most of us are completely unaware of.

It shows just how far the right will go in the USA and further evidence, if any is needed, of how divided they are.

I don't believe it can be defended and am sad to see at least one here trying to do so.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Nov 22 6.35pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Only if the LGBT community is being targeted rather than an individual within it.

When organised groups of school mums are flooding school board meetings with accusations of grooming because of the teaching of diversity in the classrooms, then it's a community, and not an individual, issue.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 23 Nov 22 6.39pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

When organised groups of school mums are flooding school board meetings with accusations of grooming because of the teaching of diversity in the classrooms, then it's a community, and not an individual, issue.

Diversity is a meaningless diversion. In this case it's one man being criticised not an entire "community".

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Nov 22 6.51pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As usual he tries to twist the argument around to be about something else.

Those who are trying to stop the sexual exploitation of children are attacked by him. Is WE gay? Apparently not.....so I'll leave that as a rather direct refutation of his claim.

It is you who are trying to twist the argument onto something we actually have no disagreement about. I want to stop the sexual exploitation of children as much as everyone who is decent does. It's a non issue.

The people we are discussing are not doing that at all. They are falsely accusing people of grooming when they are doing no such thing.

Having an informed, intelligent debate about what, how and when sex education ought to be taught to children is perfectly reasonable. Who should have that debate is another matter. In my view it needs primarily to be left to education and paediatric experts, with the rest of us standing back. So start a thread if you wish, but I am unlikely to contribute as I don't believe I know enough.

This though is not that debate. It is about the current, deliberately created, storm of anger being directed at the way diversity is now being included in school curriculums in the USA and the way LGBT people are being recognised and respected in ways they were not in the past. Accusing teachers of being groomers for allowing such things in their classrooms is disgusting.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 23 Nov 22 6.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

You can almost smell it.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Nov 22 8.14pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

You can almost smell it.

If you mean the aroma of someone sh*tting themselves in their efforts to avoid actually addressing the issue, which is arising from the Fens, yes you can.

There are echoes of Trump to be heard too, in the dark and dank mists which obscure the truth in those desolate parts, in the tactic of accusing your accuser of that you are yourself guilty of.

That it's frequently on show here in the winds from the east doesn't minimise its unpleasantness.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Nov 22 8.19pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Diversity is a meaningless diversion. In this case it's one man being criticised not an entire "community".

What is criticised is a tweet which makes a completely valid, and important point. Who is making it is an irrelevance. It's a type of ad hominem. Playing the man and not the ball.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

If you mean the aroma of someone sh*tting themselves in their efforts to avoid actually addressing the issue, which is arising from the Fens, yes you can.

There are echoes of Trump to be heard too, in the dark and dank mists which obscure the truth in those desolate parts, in the tactic of accusing your accuser of that you are yourself guilty of.

That it's frequently on show here in the winds from the east doesn't minimise its unpleasantness.

I don't defend those who bring sexuality into the lives of little children. Your words show everyone who you are.

Try saying what you have said here to my face.

We would see who shat themselves.


 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 23 Nov 22 8.33pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What is criticised is a tweet which makes a completely valid, and important point. Who is making it is an irrelevance. It's a type of ad hominem. Playing the man and not the ball.

And it's being criticised because of the actions of it's originator. He's just playing identity politics by pretending there are other reasons.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 23 Nov 22 9.51pm Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

The tweet very simply implies that if you use the term " groomer " you are automatically anti LBGT, homophobic and transphobic.

That is what the tweet actually says, whether or not you agree with that is a different issue.

The opinions in the tweet are IMHO nonsense in terms of the association of the word " groomer " and " fa**ot "

I do not think there is any conspiracy to link homosexuality with pedophilia, the two things are different albeit not mutually exclusive.

I do not think being gay would somehow make you abhor pedophilia less.

This Wiener guy seems to be looking for something to get attention

 


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